Opinions - Scary article on Kratom just discovered

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by Izocomoc, Dec 4, 2011.

  1. Izocomoc

    Izocomoc Silver Member

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    Hello forum. I just stumbled upon a rather disturbing article. I don't want to break any rules by posting a link so I will copy and paste it. This is a shameless plug to the writers own business and it makes me sick to demonize Kratom for his/her own gain! :mad:

    Kratom, a recently popularized abused over the counter eastern medicine, is now making waves and parents are left not knowing what it is or what to look for if abuse is suspected. Burning Tree a drug rehab in Texas is please to announce the release of its Kratom abuse tips and warning signs for parents.

    Dallas, Texas (PRWEB) November 30, 2011

    XXXXXXX a drug rehab in Texas announces tips for parents when is comes to Kratom abuse. Attentive parents who recognize the signs of drug use among their teens and young adults may know what to look for regarding inhalants or prescription drug abuse. But a relatively new drug foe, Kratom, may catch many of these parents by surprise. That's because abuse of this medicinal plant is quietly rising in popularity, although very little information is available on the user population in the United States at the moment. In fact, according to NDIC Narcotics Digest Weekly, it's not currently monitored by any national drug abuse surveys, yet it is a very real threat.

    Vigilant parents can follow a few simple guidelines to detect potential Kratom abuse.

    1. Ask directly. A young person who is aware of the Kratom name or its other street names-including Kratom, Ketum, Kakuam, Ithang and Thom-may have already have the opportunity to try using it.

    2. Look for unexplained mania or excitement. Kratom produces both stimulant and sedative effects in users, meaning a feeling of euphoria could be followed by a calm, relaxed state.

    3. Observe sleep patterns. Prolonged sleep is another side effect of Kratom abuse, along with nausea and vomiting.

    4. Take note of any mysterious powders, capsules or leaves. Kratom is available in a variety of forms, including whole or crushed leaves, powder, extract and encapsulated powder. It's most notably consumed as a tea, although whole leaves can be chewed.

    5. Monitor internet activity. Kratom is widely available through vendors online and at many local head shops.

    In response to Kratom abuse, there is help available atXXXXXXX. This long-term drug and alcohol rehabilitation facility provides expert care in residential settings outside of XXXXX and XXXXX. More information can be obtained online at XXXXXXXXXXXXXX or by contacting an admissions representative today at XXX-XXX-XXXX.

    X'd out any potential links to the rehab facility as to avoid any incrimination. Thoughts?

    Izocomoc added 1 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

    Shoot, please somebody edit the name out of the story ASAP, I missed one of them and it won't let me edit my post.
     
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  2. dreamy

    dreamy Silver Member

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    Thanks for posting this...yes, it is a disturbing article...but still, interesting to know...

    I really hate it, when articles like that turn up, because in the end that will lead to Kratom being made illegal...unfortunately, I'm quite sure that this will happen at some point. In my country they are already talking about it...

    Don't know what more to say at the moment, but I just hope that I'm wrong and that Kratom will remain legal and there won't be many such articles...
     
  3. Herbs&Hopes

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    I find it very disappointing to see another, extremely valuable herb being demonized in this 'knee-jerk' manner. As if there isn't a large enough industry monopoly in place as is. I probably would have killed myself had I not found kratom as after being repeatedly denied even after having written up history tracked all appointments, done all you can to ensure diganoses and rapid treatment and then get swept under the rug over and over. I had already dug out my dads guns, several times and was trying to get ahold of bullets by going to friends who do biatholon and whatnot and who would have bullets to his .22, small but, I figured one to the brain would do it. All my suicidal ideation went away when I discovered a herbal regimen through trial and error, then was finally provided a toolkit for managing pain, sleep, nausea, appetite. Practitioners are convinced I spend the entire day sleeping and wouldnt give me sleep aids for months stating the neurontin, opes and cannabis likely has me knocked out 24/7. Fucking prejudice bastards, with no personal experience themselves, yet they are 'professional', so fucked up. They finally upd my dosages and then gave me sleep-aids, all suicidal ideation ceased later that week when I regained adeqaute sleep. Surprise, surprise.

    When I found kratom, I used it with many other herbs, eventually finding combinations for sleep and appetite and anxiety. All involving kratom as the base herb in the formula. once I began recieving Rx's I stopped ordering the herbs as they cost me to much and the Rx's are covered. Allowing me to seak other treatments like physio and massage and stuff like that, still, it took months to get to adequate dosages of my Rx's so it was not a fun process. Glad to be where I am at, now.

    This article makes me sad and kind of angry, mostly sad though at the ignorance present in others.
     
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  4. mersann

    mersann Platinum Member

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    1, 4 and 5 are particularly useful suggestions for parents. Their children will for sure not find a way to make their drug use less obvious. 2 and 3 are good as well, as these obvious signs make the whole situation unambiguous with regard to substance abuse and as to what substance is abused. Superb article.

    Don't see the need for a special outcry with regard to this article though, there are enough stupid articles when you look around the news archive. I think this thread should be moved there anyway.
     
  5. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    I dont really have any issue with the listed points, they are mostly correct apart from the mania although its possible that someone somewhere might have witnessed this.

    I do have a problem with how these clinics have over the last year started to offer 'programs' for dealing with kratom addiction where they will treat an addict often using stronger and more dangerous opiates and then charging them tens of thousands of dollars.

    For the moment this seems to be something confined to the US although im sure that it will catch on anywhere unscrupulous people see the opertunity to make money.

    While there is a problem with trying to make kratom out to be something it certainly is not, this problem is not confined to the anti-kratom lobby.
    Without responsible use kratom can be addictive and can cause problems, much like any other drug of its type.
    Withdrawal for many can be very unpleasant but most will find it unnecessary to book themselves into a clinic like those advertised. Using a slow taper kratom can be stopped with few or no withdrawals, without the need of medical help, drugs or a ton of money.

    Kratom has a lot to offer, espicially to people who suffer with pain, people who are trying to withdraw from stronger and more dangerous drugs or for people who just want to switch to a safer alternative to opiates.
    Unfortunatly these are the very reasons why governments and doctors want to control it. It will simply cost them too much in lost payments.

    I would rather not see these clinics taking the line they do, but ive seen far worse things said about kratom than in the OP's cut and paste.

    Kratom is already banned and/or controlled in so many countrys, i think that it is unfortunatly enevatable that it will be banned in many more. Everyone has their part to play in keeping it legal as long as possible, if for nothing else then to give as many people who could benefit from it the chance to do so.
    This will require work mostly from its sellers and users. Not only to use it responsibly but to sell it responsibly. This means being honest about the pros And the cons.
    If people did not end up looking for medical treatment then their would be no need for anyone to offer it, which means no one would see an oppertunity to bleed cash from people.

    Anyway, i dont think this artical demonises Kratom, but it does show that there is a market out there for people to pray on the ignorance of many people who have little or no knowledge about kratom. This tells me that there is not enough information and basic guides to kratom use being suplied to buyers, or worse still there is false information being given.
     
  6. Herbs&Hopes

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    Special outcry? Perhaps, I, in particular, was just sharing a patient experience; trying to show how the kratom helped avoid disaster that is suicide. Though the the difficulty resurfaced when switching from herbal regimen to Rx as I was underprescribed for months, this had to be done as I couldnt afford the herbs and physical treatments at the same time, now I have a medicinal regimen and can afford other treatments but I would much rather be back ont he herbs I was taking before.

    I would like all individuals to go through the process of injury and denial of treatment and see how these articles make you feel when you realize the sorts of difficulties, making this plant illegal raises for all those who require legit relief and are being denied.

    From a harm reduction standpoint it is great, but to demonize it by calling it a 'very real threat', which, if more and more of these comments are made publicly, will surely result in it being controlled or made illegal outrigh, and the ultimate end result of it being made illegal is so very wrong on many levels.
     
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  7. Izocomoc

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    Sure, this thread could fit just fine in the News forum. But I wanted to post it in the Kratom forum for a specific reason. I forgot to mention in the OP that this article was posted just 4 days ago, showing that kratom is being brought to more mainstream audiences in the US and other western countries as every day goes by.

    I know this is not the first article written of this nature, thinking mostly about the rehab in Florida that had a similar campaign, but it more appealed to kratom dependent people. What really scared me, was that this article was aimed at not users, but PARENTS! As you all know, informing parents about kratom in the manner of the article, can have a very quick and profound impact on kratom's status in the US and other countries.

    ianzombie, While I do have to agree with you that this article does not necessarily demonize kratom, I guess what I was trying to relay is the way it is aimed at parents. You know the way an uptight, suburban mother will read this article as if kratom is the second coming of heroin, which CAN and WILL demonize kratom.
     
  8. Herbsat40

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    BATH SALTS KILL, NOT KRATOM. I am beginning to create a small island wide area of New Kratom trees just in case the DEA makes it illegal. I have read articles how they try and link Kratom with Bath Salts, fake week, JWH whatever! Please don't read those articles! Even abuse treatment centers are trying to cash in on treating Kratom addiction! WTF? Kratom is used to beat addiction not the other way around!
     
  9. ianzombie

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    Yes, that is a very good point. Unfortunatly a lot of parents would be completly ignorant to what kratom, or other drugs/ethnos, are and do and due to some pretty sensationalist stories in the media over the last few years might jump to conclusions that are not founded in reality.

    This is why when possible any printed article should be countered with a calm and balanced response. Most online papers will give an option of leaving a reply, the same is true of youtube videos, vendor sites etc. Any time you see some bad, false or dangerous advice or information posted it should be countered.

    Ignoring these storys is not the right thing to do, because people who know about kratom and want to see a balanced depiction of it need to tackle any nonsense that is written about it or run the risk of people who know nothing about Kratom believing what they read.

    While kratom is a godsend for many people suffering with addiction to drugs it is also addictive itself. Many people, myself included, are testament to this.
     
  10. Izocomoc

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    Unfortunately ianzombie, I tried the website the article was posted on, and it wouldn't allow any way, shape or form of leaving comments. Yes! Thank you though, level headed response. Anybody to go out guns drawn, cursing and slamming the article is just going to make it look bad. Thank you ian for reading my thread. I have been reading this forum for years, long before I even signed up, and I must commend your knowledge and your clear headedness on the Kratom forum, many thanks and thumbs up!

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    And, hopefully this trend of jealous detox/outpatient/etc. facilities won't continue to attempt to bring kratom in a negative light.
     
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  11. DiabolicScheme

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    Sad really, its inevitable that the substance will get banned in the future.

    Even more sad is it WILL lead to people returning to their opioid of choice (that they had before starting Kratom) or possibly leading Kratom users to harder opioids.
     
  12. cjarizona

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    This is why the government makes these helpful and therapuetic substances illegal. It all comes down to a lack of responsibility. So, once again, many folks will suffer for the actions of a few.
     
  13. cjarizona

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    This is pure media propaganda. It's some undeducated journalist demonizing what is probably the best natural pain/anxiety remedy known to man. Undoubtedly, this type of BS will lead to kratom being banned.

    Now, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I wholeheartedly believe that "big pharma" (aka, the big drug companies) are behind crap like this. I mean, why on earth would they want people to find a natural remedy that would take away from their opiate profits (which are probably the biggest profit producing drugs in the US).

    And, I would like to report that SWIM once took kratom capsules and drank kratom tea for 2 months straight, and then stopped with NO withdrawals whatsoever. Now, SWIM still enjoys kratom 2-3 times per week when SWIM's sciatica acts up and I think it's the better than any narcotic.
     
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    Kratom is hardly addictive. It's absolutely nothing prepared to real opiates or other hard drugs. It's nothing like cigarettes where your body will constantly crave and pester you for a dose of nicotine. Also, good luck parents while listening to those guidelines, they do have an amount of truth in them, but the #2 and #3 guidelines are completely useless in my opinion and are indeed false. They are almost non existent. The "mania and excitement" kratom can possibly give is nothing like drugs like amphetamines. It won't be noticeable, and most likely won't even be there if your an experienced user of kratom. When I hear "mania and excitement" i think of drugs like ectasy or amphetamines, definitely not herbs like kratom. Even if you aren't experienced with kratom there wont be any "mania and excitement" maybe just a noticeable mood lift and relaxed state which isn't easily noticeable anyways, therefore I feel this part in guideline 2, "Look for unexplained mania or excitement" is false. Even the sleep patterns proves nothing but absolute shit. The sleepiness that comes with bali kratom is quite tolerable, not like benadryel or any drug where you will have to fall asleep where you are. If your kid is sleeping a tad bit more than usual, most parents won't think anything of substance "addiction" anyways. Teens need lots of sleep, and sleep patterns can often vary in children. When I was a teen I slept all the time, and sometimes stayed up all the time when I felt like it. If I was a parent I could care less about the use of kratom, but when it comes to hard drugs like opiates, ecstasy, amphetamines etc. that's when you must take action. Anyways I guess I had to share my opinion, because these articles REALLY piss me off, but then again.. I feel the truth was never totally revealed when it comes to drug use/abuse, and addictions. There's usually traces of facts that give a sort of relief feeling when it comes the world of drug abuse. What I mean is, When your D.A.R.E teacher informs the teens about how horrible the use of drugs is, they also leave some standard facts out (that of course can encourage the use of drugs). They aren't lying to you but they aren't totally telling the complete truth either. Ok I'm babbling now sorry :p.
     
  15. Would-Be MD

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    If you dedicate your life to keeping "substances" out of the hands of the general public, you can understand the stance. It is sensationalism, but that's often the way things get done in government. Just wait until someone famous comes out and talks openly about their "kratom addiction"

    The fact is that it is (in high doses) more or just as potent as substances that require a prescription. It hasn't been refined into a drug for any purpose, and nobody has a kratom patent, so it's largely staying out of the public eye.

    Marijuana is not physically addictive, but it is mind altering and I know so many people who are psychologically dependent on it. It really then boils down to a judgment on lifestyle choice, which I am not one to make. All I can say is that I, personally, am striving to live in as un-altered of a state as possible, because the reality of experience, no matter how shitty at times, is the essence of life.

    For people suffering from chronic or acute pain, there are medications and, while difficult, can be used responsibly. My dad suffers from chronic back pain the the cornucopia of opiates he gets from his pain specialists makes me drool with envy ("oh, they Just switched me to Dilaudid on top of the Fentanyl patches"). If someone finds Kratom to be a better answer to their chronic pain, absolutely go for it. I would not be surprised if when it does get attention, it becomes altogether "illegal" instead of "controlled" because drug companies probably won't take the time to lobby for a more in depth investigation. I think that's a shame, because it's not nearly as dangerous as other things that are easily obtainable.

    I will say that I am definitely against the government's "better safe than sorry, so let's just ban it" approach. Maybe they don't think the public has the mental capacity to make discerning, responsible decisions, but the fact that kratom isn't already a problem and has always been available should be evidence to the fact that the public is, in fact, capable of making responsible decisions about when and how to use it, if at all.

    Cheers.
     
  16. crusher152

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    Every plant which can be used for medical purposes will be made illegal. The industry dont like to have competition and since you cant patent plants only chemicals and we are led by the industry and not by the government ...

    Iam sure most of you didnt know it but it doesnt matter who you elect, you are led by the industry there is alot of marketing and propaganda in the TV always for the canditates who are corrupt .... you wont see much of the others.

    Thats also why weed is illegal, its just a too big competetion in making paper, using chemicals (for making paper of trees you need alot of chemicals for hemp not), clothing and medicine. There was a big propaganda about weed being the devil and being even worse than the war ... ROFL. There is a nice documentation about it.

    Ever asked why they tried to synthezise THC and then give to ill ppls ? Cause they could patent it, good that it didnt work really well. Thats only the idea of the industry that synthesized stuff work well like vitamins and so but we today know vitamins only give you the real effect as a whole with all the other many thousands of plant materials. In other words eat an apple and it will do much more than a vitamin pill to you, it´s just money making

    Thats why Kratom will be for sure made illegal with the reason "its a dangerous drug" while alchohol and tobacco will still be legal. And why ? cause alcohol and tobacco is for nothing good in medicine, clothing or anywhere else.

    Last but not least yes you can get addiced to kratom and it may suck but that also can happen for alot of things. Alot of ppls are even addicted to sugar and you wont see sugar become forbidden.

    There should be an age restriction but thats it, same for weed. Every adult should know themself what to take or not.

    Sorry for my bad English :/. But I think you get what I mean.
     
  17. Zerix

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    We need to start a protest. Fuck the DEA! They can't do anything right! I'd love to write some deep hate mails to them, cause yes, I also think it's a matter of time (hopefully a LONG time) before Kratom gets banned just like it did for moronic reasons on eBay.. smh..

    Definitely must stock up A LOT, and buying plants is highly advised, why not just grow yourself, screw em.
     
  18. ianzombie

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    Writing hate mails to the DEA to argue the point for keeping Kratom legal where you live is not a good idea, please dont do this. No one wants kratom to be associated with people like that, it wont do it any good.
     
  19. Zerix

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    Haha I didn't say I would, definitely would be a stupid idea, but I wish I could, and get away with it... eh.. the whole thought is just very irritating.
     
  20. Dr. Chocoholic

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    More attention should be given to the millions of pain pills that 10 to 20 yr olds are stealing each year from parents and relatives. These are much more widespread, more addictive, and easier to overdose on than kratom, which is fairly safe if used properly