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Smoking meth around dogs/other pets....risks?

Discussion in 'Methamphetamine' started by Mrballs, Mar 23, 2011.

  1. Mrballs

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    As this is my first thread, my apologies in advance if i break any rules. Please let me know if i commit any major "no no's" so that i can get better at using this site, thanks and on to the point.....I have a particular acquaintance that i am spending more and more time around as the days go by due to coiscidencescial living situations, and they have many peculiar habits that are unique to say the least, but are bearable. However the one frequent action that concerns me the most is that they smoke meth several times a day just as one might drink coffee or soda. No problemo, except for one thing. My dog Ralpho, who is a westy (west high land white terrier, a small white breed) must breathe the same air as myself and said acquaintance. I am just wondering if there is any chance that dogs might be able to inhale meth fumes, granted there is usally a window open, however the room in which the fumes is in is not the biggest. About the size of a normal non-master bedroom in a low end middle class house or average apartment.
    My other concern is Ralpho loves to sniff around and eat things off the ground like you would expect of most dogs, my other question is should i be worried about Ralpho perhaps finding a small piece of meth on the ground or perhaps a small amount of power/residue and becoming intoxicated and perhaps going into cardiac arrest? Any info on this matter would be greatly appreciated, as it would kill me if something bad were to happen to Ralpho. My only current preventative measures are excessive cleaning and vacuuming, as well as emphasizing to said acquaintance to be careful not to drop anything. Thanks.
     
  2. Mindless

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    Passive inhalation of meth will not result in a positive drug screen test, so it's doubtful that your dog will suffer any adverse effects. He simply won't be taking in sufficient to have any effect at all.
    I have never smoked meth, but isn't it inhaled as a vapor rather than as smoke? As far as I know, vapors (of various substances we might take) do not have the same problems as smoke does when it comes to passivity.
    Your other concern could be an issue though, so be careful. An old girlfriend went mental when our yorkshire terrier found and ate a piece of hash that someone had dropped when stoned.
     
  3. Mrballs

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    Ah finally someone replied. Thank you man for taking the time to do that it is much appreciated. And to answer your question....No, meth typically isn't smoked as a vapor...although it is easy to see how one might thing that because it isn't smoked by applying a flame directly to the substance, instead the flame is place underneath the glass pipe (pilo) or aluminum foil in which the meth is sitting on top of. The glass pipe/foil foil is heated carefully without being burnt by touching the flame directly to the glass/foil. The flame is simply held underneath the pipe/foil for a matter of seconds. The meth then heats up and begins to burn and smoke and finally inhaled....sorta complicated when you've never done it before.....at least my raccoon thought it sorta was....but ya it's easy to see how one would think it's a vapor. Ok so i will take warning about the dropped pieces....but i wish i had more answer about the vapors....i mean, ARE YOU SURE that you can't inhale the second hand smoke and achieve effects? I don't mean to sound like im questioning your authority or anything but if that's the case, then why is 2nd hand smoke such a big deal?
     
  4. equitube

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    My Little Pony is no certified expert, only having done meth for a few years, although his love for speedy substances goes back decades. He begs forgiveness for ignorance, but isn't the 'smoke' actually a gaseous form of the substance and not a particulate matter or product of combustion? It's been a few years since he had first year chem at university.

    He does find it fascinating that the substance can be 'smoked' nearly anywhere, even homes with non-smokers or public places without causing a 'stink' so to speak. He now tells me he'd like to find weed that does that.

    tailz Up!!

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  5. Mrballs

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    Lol i am afriad that question is a little beyond me....my raccoon really hasn't put enough though into it. You could be right, but i know it's not the same as vapor....i wanna say that it is smoke, because when my raccoon accidently gets tobacco inside the pipe from his pocket (i buy my raccoon clothes) the tobacco will combust into smoke, so i figure its smoke? Haha couldn't be sure on that one...now my raccoon DOES know that if the lighter is held there too long, it will catch on fire from overheating so that's pure combustion right there...
     
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    I've wondered the same thing at certain times, as I like to keep exotic pets....things like scorpions, snakes, tarantulas, etc.
    unless your blowing it directly on them I really don't think there's any chance of it effecting them.
     
  7. kailey_elise

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    Actually, it *IS* the same as vapour.

    It's vapourised, rather than combusted.

    ~Kailey
     
  8. Mindless

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    You can question mah authoritay as much as you like, I'm probably frequently wrong about all sorts of stuff. Having said that, I still think meth is consumed as a vapour.
     
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  9. night tripper

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    ghost disagrees, she feels meth smoke stinks way worse than weed , maybe its cause her house always smells like weed, but only occasionally of meth, but one thing shes sure of is it does smell,
    no-one could smoke a hit of dope in her house w/out her knowing when she walked in the room after

    as for the vapor / smoke thing , I'm quite sure its a vapor like most of you say, BUT if you burn it is it smoke (if so meth smokes gross:s) or what? not important just wondering

    I better make an effort to stay on topic hear, evrytime ghosts buddie smokes meth he swears he dropped some, and when his dogs around he swears she's high, and that she's stealin the dope he dropped . she (the dog) did seem to be acting strange but we were always high enough, it couldv'e just been us trickin ourselves
     
  10. Mrballs

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    Thank you Mindless for your informative answer as well as everyone else who is replying to his. Ok, so perhaps i am wrong about the smoke/vapor thing...but there are still a few things that don't make sense to me about it....when my coon smokes out of a vaporizer for weed, there is no smell really and the vapor is very non-milky. Also i've read online and heard that when smoking out of a vaproizer there are prettty much no harmful effects to your lungs and what not....and i can never feel vapors from a vaporizer go into me, it's as if it were just air. This seems to be the same for my coon as with electronic cigareets, no smell or taste or feeling at all. But my coon reports different with smoking meth. Is it just that vaporizers are better at vaporizing than the normal meth smoking method? Jw, dosen't really matter i guess though. Just as long as i don't have to worry about Ralpho....someone here did say that if i blow it on the dog it can get high....so that DOES mean there's a chance Ralpho could get high right? Cause if there is any chance at all no matter how small, i must take extra precaution. A couple days ago a large nearby cloud of smoke drifted right into Ralpho's face....but like you all said it seemed to have no effect whats so ever, but i was quick to swish awau the smoke outta his face with my hands. Thanks.

    Mrballs added 3 Minutes and 27 Seconds later...

    in the first sentence i meant "replying to this" not his. sorry.
     
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  11. Ceasar

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    Meth smoke/vapors does not have any smell and leaves only bitter taste in mouth after a while but you cant "feel" it with your lungs or cough it because it basicly feels like air.
    There is no way someone can recognize any smell in room, my pikachu says that you probably have some nasty adulterants in this stuff.
     
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    again i disagree,:yes-no: i would really like to see some other opinions , ghost tastes it when she smokes it, it does taste worse if burnt or stale,but even a good hit tastes like dope, and she can definatly smell it when others smoke, and can feel it in her lungs to,and she's pretty sure its made her cough to, but can't remember that for sure

    she feels like she gets some damn good dope to, has gotten shitty dope that takes a few hits, but usually her dope is way way potent

    but she's never had it tested or anything so I GUESS it could have a slim chance of a possibility that all the dope she's ever got has been cut with something that smells that same each time, but she's been getting it for a long while now

    so respectfully id like to ask for a second opinion please!
     
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    Da Pony will give a 2nd opinion,

    he agrees that there is a taste to the substance. He can even recognize different types, or familiar cuts by taste. He says if he feels it in his lungs though, it's probably the cut as the purer stuff he's had doesn't do that.

    He has smoked it in his sisters, brothers, friends mothers even his own mothers homes (all non smokers of any substances or tobacco), as well as public restrooms, parks, college common areas, restaurants, cars of non smokers, non-smoking motel rooms, and small and large rooms at his work. No one has ever mentioned smelling anything. He can smell it only for a brief few moments after another hits, then only if in their cloud.

    Tailz Up!!

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    (Oh wait, she probably meant someone else when she said 2nd opinion :crazy)
     
  14. Mrballs

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    @ Ceasar....Isn't what you said sort of contradictory? Because when using a pipe it vaporizes and there should be no smell like u said....but if i smell something u say it's adulterants...but wouldn't the adulterants be vaporized as well thus there being no smell? Just speculation, i obviously know nothing about this subject. I should add that my coon typically only notices a smell when something that is not suppose to be in the pipe falls into the pipe, be it tobacco, pocket lint, tiny food crumbs, and the like. It would make one wonder why these things are not vaporized like the meth is? This is a very weird subject to me, because it would seem as though certain substances can be vaporized while others cannot, and i thought everything burned? Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that melting/combustion points vary from substance to substance, and my coon knows that when the flame is applied directly to the pipe for too long the meth WILL combust eventually, so perhaps any smell detected is simply the bi-product of any microscopic combustions of meth, adulterants, and any foreign objects within the pipe taking place. I may of just answered my own question, lol, anyone else have a take on this?
     
  15. night tripper

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    now that she thinks about it maybe your right about feeling it in her lungs, when she gets her good dope it does feel like she can take as big a hit as her lungs can take w/out really feelin it
    from what i understand most here agree theres a taste and thats not bein debated

    but ghost swears she can smell good dope, it even smells good to her during points in her life when she's using more constantly
    theres a post that has.. well i wouldnt call it a debate, but 1 guy mentions lack of smell and others mention enjoying the smell after that http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103791&highlight=meth+smell+love but it doesn't really matter cause they're ananymous newbies just like we are , I thought I'd point it out anyway
    searched this forum for meth smell, and besides inquiries about adulterants thats the only post that seems to metion it besides this one

    maybe parents and stuff don't notice as much cause its not as distinctive as weed also most people have at least smelled weed in their lives, have/has you/anyone smoked before people that have used meth have entered the room?

    now y'all mentioned a smell right after smokin and MAYBE thats what she smellt most of the time.
    the one time thats really stickin in her head(friand said he was only takin a hit in bathroom but stunk it up all night) wasn't very good dope but it still seemed like it had that meth smell, a little off but that distinct, arguable wonderful, smell seemed like it was still in there
    do y'all also agree, at least, they can
    and in so agreeing to that agree that good dope does at least have a distinct smell, even only for a few seconds?

    and if so is there a cut that has a ,at least kinda, similar smell, only that hangs around?

    the more she thinks about it the more she's staring to agree with y'all so don't take any of this the wrong way, just tryin to clear some things up

    ghost always figured there was a smell that hanged around, but thered obviously be no way to tell if you were smokin, and the more she thinks on it the more she realizes there haven't been very many times she wasn't smokin, so she really doesn't have much evidence of her preconceived notion

    thanx much for satisfying a forgetful, sporadic tweakers, inquiries
    -much love, and happy highs , nicedrug + the ghost
     
  16. Jayhal

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    The Flaming Rainbow would suggest keeping pets in a seperate, ventilated area, and that you maintain good airflow in general. Never know when there will be a knock at the door you can't avoid. He doesn't feel there to be much of a danger in small contact doses, though he would be more concerned about ingesting pieces that have fallen on the ground.

    I have quoted the following information you may find to be useful, original link is located here.

     
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    Hmm, I find this interesting, as I have seen this debate go on between friends and gangster...gangster does not smell it or feel it in her lungs, and the smoke dissipates much quicker than weed smoke does. There is definitely a taste about it, However, others have said they can see the smoke when gangster does not, and that they can smell it. It is funny to her when others go to great lengths to prevent others from smelling it when she feels that unless you were/are a frequent user, or have been around it a lot and are familiar with the smell, that there's almost no risk that someone is gonna walk up in the room and be like "WOW someone just smoked meth in here!"

    The only time gangster ever had an issue is when her friend was melting down the pipe stem in gangster's bedroom and her dad came into her apartment to fix the dishwasher...as he was leaving, he stopped by the bedroom door and inquired about the smell of burning rubber. It slipped gangster's mind about what her friend was doing in there, and she seriously tried to find the source of the smell before realizing what it was that he was smelling, then desperately tried to usher him out the door (nonchalantly) and assure him there was no burning rubber or smell at all. Haha.


    Agreed 100%, couldn't have put it better. Gangster has smoked in aforementioned places as well and never had any problem with smokiness or smell, either.
     
  18. Jayhal

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    There is a fair amount of smoke(or vapors rather) with methamphetamine, its one of the signs of quality: many cuts smoke very little or stick especially to pipes or bongs. Meth has a distinct smell, not of burnt plastic or burnt anything for that matter since it should not be igniting at all, but a distinct some say 'sickly sweet' smell, definitely distinct and unusual but not ginormously offensive depending on who you ask. Even so, the smell is definately enough to leave a small public restroom smelling unusual after a couple hits in public. Cuts with a lower burning point than meth will however burn and often give off a noxious smell, and should be cleaned off through either cracking back repeatedly until clean or ab wash or other method if the volume dictates it.

    Most people won't walk into a room and make a connection that you're smoking meth because it has such a distinct smell they ought not recognize it lest they have had prior experience with it, especially since if done right, there is no ignition, and no smell of burnt, leading them even less to the notion of someone having smoked something since meth is one of the few things that is vaporized as opposed to smoked.

    Meth vapor should NOT make you choke or cough and should not burn. Many common cuts will have a choking or sour or plasticy flavor to the smoke. Steer clear from this shit.

    It seemed theres a lot of misinformation and outright lack of common sense going on in this thread (*really? because something vaporises it leaves no smell? What about the smell of body wash in the shower or a nasty perm at the salon or your mommas spaghetti; none of these are burnt[if done right anyways]). Someone asked me to drop by and give my two cents, and I gotta bounce but I'll paste my reply to their initial PM here in addition to what I've already said. Being in a hurry, formatting and such is not a priority, lol. Hope this helps the discussion:

     
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    In regards to a smell, yes, methamphetamine vapour most definitely has a scent; it's not unpleasant, but it most certainly exists. To assume otherwise is, well, asinine. My wife liked to smoke in her dry sauna; it was a small, out of the way room with a reasonably heavy door, so there was no chance of her kid ever getting in there by accident & it had a ventilation fan so she felt comfy that it wouldn't "pollute" the rest of the house. The sauna room was all wood (as they usually are) & even with the ventilation fan running usually when she was smoking, amusingly enough, when you actually turned the sauna on, the little room would start to REEK of methamphetamine! It had absorbed into the wooden walls/benches from "smoking" (vapourising) in there all the time & as the room heated up & warmed up the wood, the wood would then release some of the, apparently, crystalised vapours that were in the wood. Very amusing.

    I've had concerns in the past about my cats & drugs. The first time I made a serious attempt at quitting smoking, I had 5 cats that had all been living with me & my husband for years; I figured they'd been getting 1st- & 2nd-hand smoke for YEARS (you could smell it in their fur, so surely they'd been inhaling it into their lungs as they breathed). I asked on a cat bulletin board (ha, remember BBS systems? *snigger*) I was a member of at the time if anyone thought there was something I could/should do in terms of their potential withdrawal & most people laughed at me & thought me a moronic idiot. But seriously, they'd obviously been inhaling nicotine & whatever else is in tobacco for years - I thought it a valid question & concern. I still do, tbh. :)

    All that said, methamphetamine vapours are a bit different from tobacco smoking, & if the windows are usually open, I'd say it's probably not that big a deal & I'd not worry too much. I would, if possible, place the dog in another room while the vapourising was actively going on; a fan near the window to help draw any residual vapours towards & out the window would be a nice touch as well.

    More of a concern, as others have touched on, would be the eating of shards off the floor. However, as the size of any shards that fell & could be missed would likely be minuscule at best; I mean, if it were a good sized shard, any reasonable tweaker would pick it up, obviously. ;) So, the random ingestion of slightly-larger-than-microscopic crumbs of crystal during an occasional lick of the floor is probably not much to worry about.

    It's nice to hear from a caring pet parent! :)

    ~Kailey
     
  20. Addie Daddy

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    Swims experience is that only people who have used meth at least once can even smell meth, unless with stinky cuts like others have said. And oftentimes when craving he would randomly smell it, like when he takes a pee, or really just any moment of the day, it'd just be a flash then go away and only happens during the most severe cravings.

    Also, the room swim smokes in always smells like meth horribly, when he's been smoking at least. And since he was getting paranoid, he thought anyone else in the house could walk in and smell it. A sober aquaintence who was sober did come by and didn't smell anything odd.

    Our brains way of using sensory stimuli, maybe from being high, to associate more things with it, and make you want it more.
     
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