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Effects - Smoking Meth Makes me TIRED! WTF?!

Discussion in 'Methamphetamine' started by all night long, Jun 14, 2010.

  1. all night long

    all night long Newbie

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    I am going to make this as brief and concise as possible but also very detailed as to be as accurate as possible because he's very curious about this topic.

    I have been using for a little over 3 weeks now, maybe a month, every day. It took SWIM a while to learn how to smoke the shit without burning... but now he's wondering if maybe he is still doing something wrong...?

    The last few / several days I have actually been getting a high that seems to make him tired - in fact, I have actually felt like going to sleep MORE after he smokes a bowl (a couple times over the past few days he actually went and laid down and slept right after smoking one). The best way I could describe this feeling is after the initial 'rush' sensation, he feels more like he's on oxycontin or something similar -- another way to describe it would be as if he's drunk and stoned on weed. He loses coordination and balance, and as SWIM sits at his computer (which is almost all day every day, playing computer games) he keeps falling asleep while playing, or more like losing consciousness briefly and then waking back up almost immediately.

    Now, what has SWIM baffled, is that SWIM's dealer and friends seem to be very 'tweaked' and 'up' after they smoke it, something SWIM relates more to snorting the shit rather then smoking it. I am also amazed by how much smoke his dealer can milk from a hit, and how huge his hits are and the amount of smoke he exhales. SWIM seems to have only gotten a few really 'good' hits like that, and when he has, he DOES feel more 'up' and awake.

    About 20 minutes ago I smoked a bowl -- his 6pack of Bic lighters ran out, so he used a Zippo instead. Making sure to be extra careful not to burn it, I was able to get some monster hits with a lot of smoke, and now I am very awake and active! SWIM also didn't burn the shit at all, or even come close, and the smoke was very clean and didn't taste burnt at all. SWIM seems to think maybe he is still burning his shit when he uses Bic lighters, as sometimes he does start to, but doesn't completely waste it, as it still lasts several more hits after that and is still able to get good sized hits, THOUGH he notices that he isn't able to get the bowl milky and full of smoke like when he used the Zippo.

    What's the deal with this? SWIM read somewhere that the more you smoke, the more of a 'stoned' type of feeling you get, but like I said his dealer and friends always seem very hyper and active after they smoke (and he knows they are smoking it, not snorting or slamming). Do Bic lighters just suck or what? I have heard as much, but thinks that that alone is a bit drastic for the complete opposite highs he's getting.

    SWIM also feels much better right now with this kind of high. Getting that 'stoned' type feeling is not what he ever expected from crystal... Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated by me because he wants to know if he's wasting his shit! (Starting to seem more and more like it as the minutes pass by!) Thanks!

    all night long added 568 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...

    I just wanted to add that he was talking with his dealer about this issue today, who said he also gets that way sometimes, tho honestly every time SWIM sees him he's always on an 'up' high. SWIM also sampled 2 different kinds of shit from him today, which SWIM's dealer smoked as well, and SWIM keeps getting the same 'stoned' type high, which his dealer honestly didn't seem like he had but I didn't care to push the issue with him any further.

    However, SWIM's dealer did point out (remember, I am still a newbie) that I was holding the flame over the part of the stem that connects to the bowl, and not really under/in front of the bowl the correct way. This explains why this part of SWIM's pipe stem keeps melting all the resin and burning it, sometimes causing a burn taste even though I was sure he wasn't burning it... could this possibly be why I am getting this type of 'down', 'stoned' high? Even before this was pointed out to SWIM, his own personal theory was that he was inhaling the vapors from the burnt shit (because he thought he might still be burning somehow, which essentially he was just not the bowl itself) and that these vapors were creating a different high.

    Again, I have experienced the 'up' type of high that he expects from crystal meth when smoking it a few different times when he has gotten good, proper hits with lots of smoke (SWIM always blows out a lot of smoke, but doesn't always get the bowl to 'cherry' and milk up with smoke the entire time he's hitting it -- which is what seems to produce the desired uppity high).

    SWIM's also developed a personal relationship with his dealer, and has been throwing down on his re-ups, so I know he's getting the same shit his connect is who has been tweaking most of his life and is very aware of his product as he uses it too, and hates bunk shit even more than SWIM.

    Truly strange to SWIM. Is this really the high that smoking meth produces for most people? I was in the middle of typing this and really started to feel the high from the last few hits he took when his dealer smoked him out about half an hour ago, and laid down on the couch with his dog for a minute or two and knows he could have easily slept, and not only that but probably get to sleep almost immediately. SWIM's only been up 1 whole night since he last got a good several hours of sleep.

    Any light that anyone can shed on this issue would be MUCH appreciated, as I have seriously been tweaking on this thought for a few days and really just doesn't get it!

    Can't wait to hear other people's thoughts on this.
     
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  2. yonez

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    my advise take a break dude, a month straight of use, your body is in such a tired state. that anything you do is going to make you tired. also smoking slow and rolling the bowl will help you smoke bigger and better. but seriously take a break.
     
  3. fryingsquirrel

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    Find a new dealer maybe?
     
  4. FreeBliss

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    You sound inexperianced do why in the hell would you want to smoke this shit???? are you out ya mind? you better just stop right now before its too late
     
  5. abuseforapie

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    Yeah man, take a short break.
     
  6. all night long

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    SWIM appreciates the replies... However, I would like to know if anyone else has had this issue? Does anyone else feel tired after smoking sometimes?

    If SWIM's shit is being cut with something that's causing this type of high/feeling, does anyone know what that is?

    And also...

    FreeBliss: "You sound inexperianced do why in the hell would you want to smoke this shit???? are you out ya mind? you better just stop right now before its too late "

    SWIM stated he was inexperienced many times, and that aside, why even bother replying to a serious and reasonable topic if you have nothing real o helpful to add? You obviously don't give a shit about SWIM, otherwise you'd probably have taken the effort to spell properly, and speak in a way that you don't come off as an arrogant asshole on a high horse.

    Why would anyone want to do ANY drug? Gee, let's think about that...
    Is SWIM out of his mind? SWIM's been out of his mind since he was born, so yes but not much more than he ever was or has been in the past. SWIM better stop right now before it's too late? Maybe, maybe not. Everyone is different.

    I think in the future you should keep your unhelpful and substance-less comments to yourself. By the way, have you even done crystal before? I think not. If you have, please feel free to correct me by adding a post with some actual content.
     
  7. Coconut

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    Long-term stimulant abuse can result in paradoxical fatigue after dosing. The solution is to take a long break. My slutty pet goldfish experiences this when taking his methylphenidate every day for weeks.
     
  8. all night long

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    Thank you very much for your helpful reply Coconut. Much appreciated.

    I am just a bit surprised at the jump in tolerance after only a bit over a month of use... he has suspected his tolerance has been going up, but SWIM just didn't expect such a big increase in it considering this is his first real run with Meth... he had only done it 2 or 3 times, several years before this encounter with it, in very small amounts.

    SWIM welcomes any other people's experiences or insight on this issue.
    SWIM thanks Cococut again for the HELPFUL and informative response.
     
  9. FreeBliss

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    ah whatever dude thats the best advice I can give you, and you will know it soon enough.
     
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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    a month straight of use with no significant breaks is not short time to build tolerance . for some it comes even shorter usually between 1 to 2 weeks.
     
  11. all night long

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    It seems really inappropriate and uncalled for to post remarks like the ones you made on a drug forum, in the general information section of it, especially in a thread like this. This isn't the Addiction or Recovery area of the forum. How many people do you think you're really going to help by saying stuff like that? And that besides, how many people in SWIM's position asking that type of question want to hear it? I'd say very few, if any at all.

    If you presented those opinions in a reasonable fashion, like respectfully working it into a post that actually addresses the immediate issue in question, then you might actually really help somebody sometime and nobody could think the worse of you for it. It's hard to believe you really give a shit when you come off like that, not that that's even the point.

    I think it's safe to say that the majority of people come here to ask questions directly related to what their situation is. That being the case, even though what you say might be true you could at least respect that most of them by this point have made their decision and/or already had a good idea of what they were getting into beforehand and that rudely questioning their motives for using and trying to scare them really isn't going to help anyone and just piss most people off.
    I'd say when you post off topic like it just makes you look like another typical ignorant person that preaches all drugs are bad and nobody should use because they say so. That, or you're just trying to get your post count up and take a ride on a high horse as an attempt to better your own reputation and feed your ego.

    Just really annoying when you see a fresh topic or thread like this one by somebody who's just honestly curious or looking to gather enough information to make their own decisions, just to get shot down by people who've either never even had experience with the subject at hand or think their own experiences and opinions apply to everyone and don't even bother to find out before they start preaching. Honestly, you sound like one of those idiots on Yahoo! Answers ffs.

    In the future, I think EVERYONE that posts on this forum deserves the basic level of respect to not get jumped on and told a substance is bad and not to do it, because let's be realistic here -- that's not what most people are coming here for. At the very least save that kind of shit for the Recovery and Addiction forum.

    Thanks again to everyone else who replied, your knowledge and ideas are valued an appreciated. Would still like to hear more if anybody else out there cares to share.

    all night long added 6 Minutes and 44 Seconds later...

    ---EDIT---: This post was directed at FreeBliss.
     
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  12. izzy31

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    HA! sounds like he's combined tweak with real good bud. "You (or I) probably shouldnt be doing this" is usually the one final smart move in a series of bad decisions


    But yeah, You has a tolerance built up. If You could sumhow crash into that first coma-state of mind for just a few days, it would definitely help increase the chances of feeling SOMETHING the next time you did it (whenever that may be, but if you've gone a month without it then your slate is clean).

    but for gods sake, dont start shooting the shit - ppl say smoking it is more addictive than snorting, but personally SWIM choses to smoke it because he uses less, and gets a higher (although slightly shorter) buzz.
     
  13. all night long

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    Thanks for the thoughtful reply izzy, much appreciated man. :thumbsup:

    SWIM's been looking for more info about it (the fatigue feeling) on other sites and whatnot, unfortunately to no avail because it's rare that anyone actually has anything relevant or constructive to say when it comes to these things on the net (not even talking talking about this forum specifically or targeting anyone on it; came across 2 other forums where this question has been asked and the OP gets flamed off the forum by assholes that never even touch base on the question asked and to be honest it's surprising and pretty disappointing since in SWIM's opinion something of this magnitude would be fairly easy to obtain info on from the net).
    But it's not like I amn't feeling anything at all, like he's seen some people on here report; his face gets this heavy feeling, his scalp and head get tingly, and gets that 'rush' feeling that he believes is the same as what everyone else describes. It's just that he doesn't seem to get that 'up', energetic, awake feeling. He has before, in between days of the binge where he's only gotten the stoned high, which is what puzzles him. It's like he's getting the same type of high in almost all respects, except for the energy.
    And like SWIM's said before, not always, but MOST of the time SWIM's product is the same as what his dealer is getting because his dealer usually only picks up a ball or a bit more at a time and smokes his profit, and I know it's the same because I have seen his sacks weighed out from the bag that the ball was in and smoked with dude on several occasions under these circumstances -- and dealer dude gets that uppy, tweaked out energetic kind of high, where as now I have come to EXPECT to feel the fatigue/stoned feeling to be able to tell if it's even quality or not, lol.
    And SWIM's connect does the shit every day, and has for years so he must have a huge tolerance... also sees his dealer every day, as they live very close and observes that dude will always be on that type of high, unless he's been up for 4 or 5 days and it's 9 or 10am and then crashes for a whole day... at which point he then seems like SWIM... which probably makes You wonder why I am asking this question -- and the answer to that would be because this is how SWIM USUALLY feels when he smokes, and only gets the uppity type high every 4-5 days or so. It's like the opposite.

    SWIM apologizes as he's stated a lot of this info before in previous posts, he's just trying to clarify exactly what's going on so that people understand (for those who care) and possibly induce some new opinions/theories/experiences.

    You doesn't have to worry about SWIM ever slamming shit -- I would NEVER stick a needle in his arm. He doesn't have a phobia of them or anything, but would never use that form of ingestion -- just don't roll that way and never will... and that's real.

    Anyway, thanks again to all the helpful and insightful replies.

    all night long added 1 Minutes and 55 Seconds later...

    ---EDIT--- : Apologies for the shitty paragraphing, copied and pasted the post and it took a dump on my paragraphs, lol.

    P.S... can anyone tell me how to edit? Like use the actual edit function instead of double posting and having it stick to the last post? :s
     
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  14. joy.co

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    This same occurance has happened to Swim and her hubby. Together we have concluded that lack of sleep and poor nutrition over the course of a couple of weeks effect their high, as well as their tolerance and general happiness or well being the day of usage. I am by all means no expert, but has found that the amount of serotinin may be a factor. She has to motivate herself into finding enjoyment in tasks to make her happy, or even leaving the house to feel full effects of the high. Alledgedly last night she was unmotivated to do anything! even clean the house, her favorite past time.......she yawned and read her book. After a huge rail she did feel better though....Eight hours later......
    Do more. Try sniffing instead of smoking. Do something that makes you happy. Let Swim know if this works..............

    written for what it's worth
     
  15. FreeBliss

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    ok your right I only said that because it seemed like you were young or inexperienced.

    I do believe what I said helped no one because if you swimmers are like swim then you will not listen to anyone any how until you feel it for yourselves. In other words until its too late.

    I would second the above post thinking serotonin has something to do with it. maybe after a while You looses more dopamine then serotonin and more serotonin is released , or you adrenals are heavily taxed. You would be overly taxing all your neurotransmitters creating crash city and depression from hell. It sucks you cant cheat nature thats why I no longer like drugs. there awsome but what go's up must come down and swim no longer wants to fight with him self and the universe.
     
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  16. all night long

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    SWIM just spent the better part of an hour typing a rather long post addressing the two new replies and then accidentally hit the back button and lost it all. :mad: FUCK!

    That said, going to make this brief...

    @ joy.co

    SWIM really appreciates you's insight on this subject. you's theory on the reason for this effect is about the same as what SWIm was thinking, and SWIM totally relates to what You was saying about having to find the motivation to find enjoyment in an activity, and sometimes needing to leave the house to feel the full effect of the high... crazy how that works.
    I do have much less motivation when smoking versus sniffing though, and is going to take you's advice and bump a few when his sack arrives a little later, as thinking and talking about it has actually got him a bit amped up to try going back to that method of ingestion and see what happens. :applause:


    @ FreeBliss...

    I would like to thank You for taking a step back and looking at it from SWIM's perspective, if only for a moment. SWIM acknowledges what You is saying, and respects his standpoint and reasoning on drugs in general.
    As horrible as this sounds, I was of a like mind until he got this new connection several weeks ago. The good news is, it was not a random thing that just happened; it was a calculated decision that SWIM made a while ago, to experiment with crystal again when he was able to find a hook for it.
    Whether or not this was a smart thing to do is a different matter, and probably best left alone, at least for now. But just know that I had prior experience with shit and was reasonably informed and very aware of what he was engaging in before delving headfirst into the shark pit.
     
  17. izzy31

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    awww I FUCKING HATE when a post (or text) gets fucked up while im writing something - you'd be amazed what acts of god have fucked up long and meaningful posts on any website -

    but yeah, the reason IS in fact what joy.co said - lack of sleep, malnutrition, and tolerance. Quitting it for a good month will take care of all of these symptoms. the next time You tries it, it will be that initial feeling You had when he first started; but remember the same thing will eventually happen again. And you'll need to take shorter breaks of a week or two after each session of use

    however you can still do things that will help alleviate the sypmtoms while you're using -

    Get some sleep. Don't just lie in bed waiting to doze off. It wont happen. You will lie there awake for awhile and most likely come up with an excuse to use more and end up stay up another 2 days, feeling 10 times as fucked up as he was before. ALCOHOL!!! it is the last thing you want to use while tweaking, as it will dull your edge, but depressants like alcohol, benzodiazapines, and weed can help you get to sleep on this shit.


    If you're not eating, take vitamins. Lots, and lots of vitamins. Not enough to poison you, but You should take several different kinds of vitamins and supplements daily. This helps make up for what the body and mind lacks in what if usually gets from food. It really does help to just eat something, but You might as well take the vitamins either way. It'll help prevent You from becoming all cracked out -


    most importantly - DRINK A WHOLE 'LOTTA FUCKIN WATER!!!! dehydration effects the mind real bad, real fast.
     
  18. Bodhi

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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    It´s called a paradoxical drug reaction and is common in people with ADHD......when taking stimulants.
     
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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    my advice is.... just go to sleep! Not just for 1 night, try going without using for a week. Trust me it'll work. And try to do other things besides just starring at a computer screen for hours and hours. ANYONE who does the SAME think over and over, all day everday, is gonna probably feel tired. blah blah blah

    Also.... .. . . . Who fuckin' cares if you burn it! For someone to properly learn and master the art of hitting a pipe, they must burn it a couple times.
     
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    Re: Smoking Meth Makes Swim TIRED! WTF?!

    Hey, just thought I'd share some advice with you.

    Okay first off, I need to point out that you SHOULD NOT use a zippo or a Bic lighter. They tend to burn hotter and you can burn your shit. With that said, smoking burnt shit changes the chemical structure of the substance completely, and can result in an unproper high, like what you're experiencing. I suggest you use ONLY a lighter with an adjustable flame, and keep that flame medium low.

    Also, try to blue flame the bowl at first after you load your shit in. Melt it down to a liquid and let it re-crystallize (this is so you don't inhale the shards). Blue flame the bowl means to hold the lighter against the bottom of the bubble so that all you see is a blue flame....once you see it melting, position the flame so that it's about an inch away from bottom of bubble.

    Once you see it smoking you can take your hit (while keeping flame positioned inch away)....and inhale slowly.

    EVERY HIT should be that milky cloud you described. If it's not, it's a weak hit and you're doing something wrong.

    No offense but it's just obvious you are inexperienced and haven't learned properly. Your dealer is a douche for not teaching you the proper ways. That said, follow the advice SWIM just gave you and you will no longer be getting tired.

    If you do keep tiring after following my techniques, you are getting bunk. Simple as that.


    Have a good one.
    NAMASTE

    DD.