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Smoking yopo

Discussion in 'DMT and Ayahuasca' started by RoboCop, Dec 13, 2004.

  1. RoboCop

    RoboCop Platinum Member & Advisor

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    I'd like to know any of your experiences with this. (and don't point me to the erowid exp. vault I read em all) Swim has tried this several times and after a few hits the change of conciousness is there, but then Swim immediatly feels sick to his/her stomach, and has a headache like no other having to stop before he/she has a breakthrough dmt experience. The sickness goes away after about 15-20 minutes. Anyone experience this? Swim will try ayuasca with it for the soon.Edited by: RoboCop
     
  2. cyalume

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    i thought yopo was a snuff and as such was intended to be insuffilated (snorted).
     
  3. RoboCop

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    Well Im talking about the seeds themselves often called yopo, vilca, or cohoba. I just call the seeds yopo while some people call the snuff yopo. Anyways the seeds can be smoked to provide an effect similiar to that of the pure chemical (so i've read)
     
  4. WhiteRyan

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    I will have some yopo seeds within the next week or two if you can wait that long for a smoking/snuffing experience.
     
  5. storm

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    I have tried yopo several times always with good results. I start with about 4 seeds and basically roast them. I have tried before without the roasting part and I did get sick to my stomach. Roasting over a hot fire causes them to pop so that you can peel the skin off easy. Then you just crush them up and smoke. It tastes pretty nasty and is hard on the lungs but if you can get 6 to 8 good hits - there are good results to be had. I also mix in some chacruna just to add an extra kick.
     
  6. brooklyn718

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    you can pulverize them and mix with lime I belive to snuff
     
  7. psilo

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    smoking yopo results in a very physical effect for me.....i usually roast 5-6 seeds...crush them....and smoke them in a bong ...the biggest hits you take in a small moment will give you a good rush....


    some saids that yopo don t do anything...;but for me it works and i like the effects
     
  8. Hyperreal

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    I've talked to five or six people about this, and everyone agrees that snorting is aeasier and more reliable way to get high off yopo.
     
  9. BeetleJuice

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    Iv read that Yopo contains 5-OH-DMT( Bufotenine)which is why some people get headaces and some pain.
     
  10. Eirias

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    Anandenanthera seedpods do contain 5-HO-DMT, almost to the
    exclusion of any other alkaloids. So regardless of how you
    prepare and administer this plant material, the psychoactive effects
    are coming from bufotenine. See Jonathan Ott's work with this
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  11. knowname

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    I was wondering about Virola resin, which can be sniffed, how much would you need to sniff to produce effects?
     
  12. Eirias

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    Traditionally, Virola resin is mixed with some sort of ash or
    lime, and then formed into small, gummy resin balls. The
    sap/resin of Virola is very rich in n,n-DMT, more so than even Mimosa
    hostilis rootbark if I recall correctly. I think it may contain
    small amounts of 5-MeO as well, but DMT is definitely the most
    prevalent alkaloid.

    Interestingly, some tribes use Virola sap to hunt small
    tree-dwelling mammals (and possibly birds?), by smearing it onto the
    tips of their blowgun
    darts. When it hits the prey, the animal is stunned and
    disoriented by the sudden onset of 'psychedelic' effects (are the
    effects indeed psychedelic for the creature that the dart pierces?) and
    cannot
    retain its balance, and then quickly falls from the tree. It's
    the fall
    that kills the prey, not the alkaloids.

    Be wary of where you source Virola from, for oftentimes the
    harvesting of the tree's bark severely injures and eventually kills the
    plant. Unlike rootbarks (like with Echinacea purpurea, Mimosa
    hostilis, and Tabernanthe iboga), when harvested/removed the tree bark
    of Virola species is unable to regenerate. This is something
    worth considreing IMO. Furthermore I have no idea as to how rare or geographically limited in
    habitat range the various species of Virola plants are, but Mimosa
    hostilis, for example, is copiously prevalent throughout Latin America
    (from Mexico to Brasil), and in many areas does indeed "grow like a
    weed". IMO, the habitat and renewability of any given
    ethnobotanical are very importants factors, and if a certain
    supplier states that their particular plant product is "sustainably
    harvested" or "assists the economy of the indigenous peoples", this means a
    lot as far as what kind of intent they have in conducting their
    business and what issues they are concerned with.

    Yay, my 200th post! [​IMG]

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  13. ihateourfreedom

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    I've read that A. peregrina have a higher DMT and 5-MeO-DMT content
    than A. colubrina. Has anyone tried both species and is able to compare
    the two?



    Also, I've noticed that headaches occur with smaller doses, or when one
    doesn't hold their breath long enough. Higher doses usually give an
    intense rush and sometimes faint dizziness or nausea, but that all
    passes in a couple minutes and the rest of the half hour experience is
    worth it.
     
  14. allyourbase

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    both species have been tried. the effects are the same. in the case of a peregrina I believe the 5meoDMT content entirely overwhelmed that of the DMT. these materials were all consumed as extractions during a particularly boring bit of research. smoked is the preffered route of administration.
     
  15. nEone

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    I got my hands on yopo seeds once and tried smoking them.



    There were three of us that tried it. None of us felt anything.



    Absolutely nothing happened. So I'd be careful about smoking them
    if you have a limited amount. In the very least, do your research
    and learn how to do it.



    I think that smoking is probably not the best way to use your seeds.
     
  16. PenguinPhreak

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    I found the high from smoking yopo to be rather unenjoyable and mild.
    As was said before Bufotenine is the main alkaloid, so pretty much the
    only high you get is some feelings of warmth and nausea.
     
  17. ihateourfreedom

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    No, there is definitely enough DMT and 5-MeO-DMT to feel it. There are
    enough people who have smoked the seeds right and enough of them who
    could tell you about the crazy things you see, like elaborate moving
    Aztec patterns on the tiles, auras around objects, closed-eye visuals,
    etc. It also makes your reflection in the mirror look quite interesting.
     
  18. nEone

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    I think that there is definitely a case for smoking them...I just think it's not as easy to do as one would hope.



    As we've seen from substances like Salvia...not all smoking techniques
    are equal. Firing up a bowl with a few yopo seeds in it isn't as
    reliable as would seem.



    It would be helpful for someone to post how their smoking their seeds to such great effect.



    I know it sounds asinine...but it's these details that cause confusion...



    Cause man...I didn't get anything..not even warmth and nausea.
     
  19. ihateourfreedom

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    Yeah, I've heard a lot of people totally discount some substances,
    including salvia, because it didn't work for them. Salvia didn't work
    for me the first couple times either, but if people say it works, you
    have to be persistant. It pays off [​IMG]



    I smoke yopo seeds the same way I smoke salvia, with a water pipe and
    two large bowls held for about 30 seconds (or as long as you can). I
    had read somewhere that your lungs absorb most of the chemicals into
    the bloodstream in about three seconds, but I really don't think that's
    the case with salvia and maybe other things. I find breathing the hot
    air in to be the hardest part. Do it carefully, then it's fairly easy
    to keep it in for 30 seconds. I think DMT has that same two minute
    window that salvia does (right?) so you should put the seeds all in one
    or two bowls and try to smoke as much as you can in one hit. I can
    usually smoke a bowl in about two large hits, with a couple seconds to
    breathe fresh air inbetween, and by the end of the second hit, I'm
    gone. The friends I have who haven't gotten salvia or yopo to work very
    well either don't take a very large hit, or only hold it three or four
    seconds. They all had headaches and slight nausea, but no other
    effects.



    Marijuana might also help the yopo work better, it gives just about
    everything else a boost, and almost every time I've done salvia, I was
    high first, and the trip was intense and lasted a long time. The times
    when I smoked only salvia, it was over within a minute or two.
     
  20. ihateourfreedom

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    Oh, one more thing. I've read that 3-4 seeds is a low dose and 5 or
    more seeds is a high dose. A couple times, I started with 3 or 4 seeds,
    but because I packed them all into one bowl and it didn't burn
    thoroughly (if you put just the seeds in the bowl, they tend to stick
    together and it burns irregularly, might be a good idea to add just a
    pinch of tobacco or marijuana), I saw that after I came down, only
    about half the bowl had actually been smoked, and I had full-on
    open-eye hallucinations. Even with a couple seeds, if you smoke the
    full amount correctly, it's possible to have very intense effects.