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So... how bad is heroin for you physicaly, no more BS.

Discussion in 'Heroin' started by vantranist, Aug 8, 2007.

  1. vantranist

    vantranist Silver Member

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    Ive heard from many people that heroin is a physicaly prettysafe drug compared to others, however those lancet "studies" ranked it as the worst drug in the world physicaly aswell as creates the greatest dependance.

    so witch is true?
     
  2. methMADMAN

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    Assuming one does not overdose or neglect oneself, heroin is very safe and causes almost no trauma to the body. Factor in the OD potential and the way junkies neglect themselves and it becomes much more dangerous.
     
  3. merc11292

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    the danger in heroin is you cant trust street heroin, but it really is almost identical to morphine, if someone had say pharmaceutical grade heroin, clean syringes, chipped with it not shot up 5 times a day.

    Then yes its believed to be quite safe its all a matter of the quality and the users ability to judge there tolerance. i read a very well researched article on the safety of it a while back, and it said the junkie lifestyle is really what makes it dangerous, it even mentioned that a founder of Johns Hopkins was a morphine addict for a very long time and died a natural death with nothing wrong with his organs and what not on the autopsy, and like a said above morphine and heroin are alot alike.

    Ive heard the only real problems come from the way it effects your brains ability to perceive pain making it more intense, and its effects on the brain are even less than that of high doses of oxycontin.
     
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  4. methMADMAN

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    The actual difference between heroin and morphine is that chemically morphine needs to be metabolized by the liver once before it can pass through the "blood brain barrier". Heroin goes straight through. This is what makes heroin more addictive, as it is much quicker of a high.
     
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    SWIM also heard that once it passed the BBB it turns into morphine or at least has the same function... same high but the speed makes it much more pleasurable.
     
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  6. Psych0naut

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    Pure heroin does barely to no damage to your body in the long run. But the problem is street heroin is never pure, though this can be purified very easily. The junky lifestyle also isn't a healthy one, but this can be avoided, eat well and take care of your body like everyone else does, and you'll look healthy.
     
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    Heroin and morphine are non-toxic chemicals. They don't cause ANY damage to your organs or brain besides your intestines (yes, constipation and irregularity can potentially cause physical damage to your intestines). Morphine is an endogenous opioid as well, it's found naturally in human blood in small amounts.


    Street heroin's purity has little to nothing to do with the perceived harmfulness of heroin, either. Heroin's almost always cut with inactives or non-toxic drugs.
     
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    Don't forget the risks associated with IV drug use.
     
  9. imyourlittlebare

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    heroin is morphine with an extra chemical group that allows it to travel much quicker through the bbb (blood brain barrier). morphine doesn't have to be altered in anyway to get through its just much slower and is broken down much easier in the body.
    heroin is a bad drug physically. The reason there is such a thing as methadone maintenance is because people who studied it and made this sort of treatment made it because there is good research showing that there is lasting changes in the brain. A single dose of morphine is enough to begin the changes in the brain.

    These changes include the destruction of the body's own mu receptors (morphine receptors where your body's endorphins as well as opiates bind to). The pleasure center of your brain destroys many of its connections so when you kick the habit, its very unlikely that you feel alot of pleasure in anything. Withdrawal is another thing.

    The fever can be bad enough to cause some sort of damage and anything that hurts that much OBVIOUSLY isn't good for you. Swim is an avid user of opiates and ignores the rick because he started well before his career in neuroscience. however, swim cant lie and tell you that the research is wrong. heroin is not a good drug.
     
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    Funny that I studied this whilst training to be a CDC and heard none of this "research".
     
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    Ok first off don't take it so personally, I didn't say "imyourlittlebare is an idiot!" I merely said that I didn't get these studies, but on more careful reflection my training was around 12 years ago. And secondly, perhaps it makes some changes but in my experience it isn't 1/2 as devastating to ones mental state as chronic methamphetamine use. And in both cases I know that the damage is not usually permanent.
     
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    sorry. i shouldnt have gotten defensive. in research you have to be though. meth isnt as bad. the effects are about 6 months after in the brain. i mean swim loves opiates. LOVES them. swim just has been getting frustrated with people, esp pot heads, who ignore the risks and pick and choose what they believe and i was under the misconception you were like that. but its understandable if it was 12 years ago. there is ALOT of amazing research in the opiate field about tolerance and addiction. its actually two different neural pathways lol. but yeah theres lots of research out there check it out
     
  14. keats

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    Meth's not as bad? That's absolute nonsense. It all depends on the person and the amount being taken, but meth is absolutely not a better, safer, or less harmful drug than heroin, or anything else.
    SWIM has known many addicts of both drugs, and meth addicts are way worse than junkies. Most of the heroin addicts he's known have recovered, most of the meth addicts he knows are dying of it or are in and out of rehab.

    Meth addict's life style's are even worse than junkies, they eat less, sleep less, and look much worse than junkies a few months into a serious addiction. SWIM certainly isn't trying to lessen the damage heroin causes; it's a nasty drug. But let's not downgrade meth a notch below anything, other than crack it's the worst drug in the book if you ask SWIM.
     
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    Heroin alters your brain structure? That's new to me, but since studies have failed to find heroin causing mental deterioration or other serious damage that study should be taken as what it is and avoid drawing I-feel-conclusions.

    Remember LSD and the chromosome damage? Sounds bad. Changes in the brain due to morphine? Can't be anything short of serious. By the way, what was the actual story of the LSD scare-studies?

    Because I remember reading that they were completely flawed, and then I've read that it's true but misleading, as caffeine causes a lot more chromosomal damage, and it isn't anything abnormal or dangerous.
     
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    i just skimmed through so I don't know where it said it heroin changes your brain, but morphine, tobacco, and cocaine can all alter your brain somehow.
    i think only DNA is changed like meaning you would pass down genes making your kids more susceptible to addiction or its not that significant brain altering but i could be wrong, or misinterpriting this but seeing as morphine and heroin are basically the same then the said brain changes would probably be the same with heroin, i read this on wikipedia though so it could definatly be BS.
     
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    Doesn't make sense. Drug addiction won't change your DNA and make your kids more susceptible to addiction. Rather, if you're a drug addict you already have the genes that predispose you to be addicted, and you pass those on to your kids along with all the rest of your genetic material.

    The only significant brain altering that an addiction will cause (besides cases of psychosis in people with pre-existing mental conditions) is tolerance. If you take heroin or MDMA every day, then your brain is used to not having to make its own serotonin/endorphins and when you cease using the drug your levels of those chemicals will be artificially low.
     
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    Well careful there, elscorcho. You're right to say that heroin doesn't alter brain chemistry in the manner being suggested, and the same goes for most drug addictions, but MDMA is something different. Extreme, prolonged MDMA abuse can lead to permanent changes in brain chemistry. Heroin addicts who clean up their act may still be a mess mentally, suffering from depression or anxiety as a result of trying to stay clean. MDMA, on the other hand, isn't physically addictive, but you do it often enough and long enough and, well...let's just say I think we've all met e-tards.
     
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    well like i said the article i read may not have been reliable but i didn't mention addiction effects like you did above i said gene change in use in general being it once or 100 times, and i mite have misinterpritted it, or just been way off, but i am positive those 3 particle drugs (cocaine, tobacco, morphine) alter your brain in some form, short term of long term i just assumed it being hereditary, because theres a huge increased chance of drug use and alcoholism in those who have parents or grandparents that drank or did drugs.

    here's what the article said:

    Gene expression

    Studies have shown that morphine can alter the expression of certain genes in human DNA. A single injection of morphine has been shown to alter the expression of two major groups of genes, for proteins involved in mitochondrial respiration and for cytoskeleton-related proteins.

    i don't know much on the subject of DNA so i could be way off i just thought id share what i did read. If anyone understands exactly what those genes involve mentioned above do id love an explanation.

    my reply by the way is in no way meant to be argumentative towards you elscorcho717
     
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  20. cz-one

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    I believe the research concerning opiates causing physical brain changes,goes along the lines that the neurotransmitters adapt themselves to being bathed in heroin.

    When that is taken away all the inhibited noradrenaline that's had to pump like crazy to get through being hindered in its job by the opiates,continues to, thus causing the physical withdrawal syndrome,and the fact that when addicts quit,even though they get through the worst of it, there's still many months of depression and emptiness after that.

    This,supposedly, is due to prolonged use causing physical changes in the brain,the question now is-are those changes permanent,or can your brain chemistry repair itself? there's theories going round that are starting to sound like drug war rhetoric.
    "using opiates even once causes changes in the brain"

    ,but then again,as with all drugs,you ARE f**king about with a finely tuned brain chemistry,and there will always be those who suffer a hell of a lot more serious damage than the majority,so-just say no/yes/whatever!!!! as far actual DNA changes? who knows?
     
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