Speedball - The beginning of the end for Kratom?

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by Thirdedge, May 19, 2006.

  1. Thirdedge

    Thirdedge Gold Member

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    A new product being marketed in the UK as 'Speedball' contains Kratom extracts in combination with a Piperazine cocktail. The writeup states "These will knock your socks off . . ".
    Is it just my paranoid mind or are Kratoms days numbered?
     
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    Abrad R.I.P. Platinum Member & Advisor R.I.P.

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    I have seen this product for sale. He doesn't even think the kratom is present in a high enough dose to have an effect. It is two capsules so at most the total dose of kratom would be less that 1gram.
     
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    Alicia Gold Member

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    Plus I didn't rate that product, made her feel sick. imagine kratom nausea on the stimulant feeling of peperazine.
     
  4. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    Surely not the beginning of kratom. As said dosage is to low, to really contribute to the effect. That product has been around for a while. But I do not think it is good to combine/associate a herb with the sketchy piperazine products. I say sketchy because most piperazine products do not list ingredients correctly and because since piperazines are research chemicals, it'll only be a matter of time before thy are banned.