Experiences - *Strong* Salvia divinorum Experiences

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  1. marleysherb

    marleysherb Newbie

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    Salvia has a lot of skeptics around, so SWIM wanted to write on a
    skeptic's point of view as well as a psychonaut's. When SWIM first
    tried salvia, it was suppose to help with quitting tobacco, also get
    high (which is what SWIM truly wanted it for anyway.) , now SWIM
    believes that it truly had a spiritual presence and was an accidental
    awakening. Here is what happened.



    Swim's first and last *true* salvia experience



    At first, it seemed like a simple thing. Find a legal sub for mj. I
    thought that the consequences for mj were too harsh, being SCH 1 and
    all. Anyways, as I quickly learned...there was a lot more to smoking
    salvia. Erowid educated me on this for a very long time with
    experiences, most of them talking about the Indian spirit.



    All I wanted was the leaves and extract to take to the moon with me.
    After being educated, I opted for a gram of 15x. I wanted to take it as
    far as I could without missing out on anything. This came with a
    "sample" of the leaves, which I tried out first. They seemed to be
    harsh and left a "different" taste in my mouth that felt at home oddly
    enough.



    After one night of everyone falling asleep, I went outside and sat in a
    chair. Despite the bitter cold, I had a torch lighter (Salvorin A must
    get very hot to vaporize) and about 1/10 of a gram of 15x in a small
    pipe.



    "Seems like nothing" I said, but before I knew it I slipped into
    another world. Although hard to fully remember, I Felt like I was
    living another life as another person in another place, and in another
    time. After coming back scared as hell, I knew that it took complete
    control over my body and mind.



    After this experience, I have yet to enter into that dimension again.
    Still, Salvia leaves are a great short alternative to feel euphoric for
    a minute or so.





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  2. wednesday

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    salvia in NO way shape or form is a mj substitute
    the effects are nowhere near close
    and to those people looking for a MJ sub this is certainly not your route
    SWIM loves salvia but to even try and compare it to anything else is a fools work

    if you are looking for just another high then looks elsewhere this is a very important plant
     
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    different strokes for different folks. Or something like that..heh.

    Wed, I understand how you can be so against this being a mj sub...but a
    lot of people get started because it's marketed in head shops as this.
    I personally got from online, but just ordering it brought be fear in
    some ways. It gives me a mj like buzz, with no paranoia. That's why I
    like it, but only the leaves. The extracts are way too potent to be
    used as mj and will send you to the moon.
     
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    If it gives you a MJ buzz, it isn't Salvia.


    Im with Wednesday on this, I didn't find them anything alike, nor did anybody else I know who's tried it...
     
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    IMO Its all about quantity of dose - a small pipe of plain leaves does have a similar effect to MJ - maybe slightly more magical with less paranoia.. at high doeses of extract this is way, way different.


    Ps. I deffinately understand your statement 'I Felt like I was living another life as another person in another place, and in another time.' it's like that everytime I go to 'level 5'


    - It doesnt scare me though - infact when I eventually drift back into reality, and the alternative 'other life' I was living is fading into a memory, I usually whoop with joy and appreciation for the fact lady salvia allowed me to briefly see what only a fewget to see


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    I usually feel the same 'whoop and joy' everytime I smoke salvia. I
    have yet to feel level 5 after that night, but honestly it scared me so
    much that I haven't tried as hard. SWIM accually just ordered more from
    a different supplier and got 50mg of sal A with 3 grams of 25x, think
    that should be enought to send swim to level 5 again? I've been
    thinking of how great it would be to embrace the feeling of the trip
    and let it take me where it wants me to go. I am going to get the
    package in the next 2 weeks? We'll see how this turns out, concidering
    the first experience.
     
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    2 grams of 25X !!! you're going to the moon!! lol [​IMG]


    I think its all about being comfortable, if you're absolutely relaxed, you don't need a pee, the music (if you got any on) is nice and ambient, there's no-one gonna disturb you - and most importantly your mind is trouble free, then you have done everything possible to give yourself an easy ride.
     
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    3 grams of 25x in addition to 50mg of sal A. Whew, I know when he tripped off of salvia, it wasn't comfortable. Maybe the setting had a lot to do with it. Who knows? What would you recommend SWIM to do hypothetically to increase the comfort level in addition to being trouble free and ambient music? Just trying to get some insite on the experience from the experienced.
     
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    if you are doing all of that at once you are probably going a little far...
    trying to gain real insight from salvia is one thing

    but trying to "trip balls" is something completely different

    i hope for your sake this is trying to allow salvia to show you something because if not she will take you on a very scary ride that you are not ready for
     
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    Of course I am going to use this in moderation, he's already been scared of her in one instance. Tripping onextract, especially 25x is inevitable. However, with the sal A...I do not know how to administer that compound. Smoking a very little bit on some dried salvia leaves would probably do it, 10mg will probably shoot anyone to the moon and back. anyone had any experience with the chemical outside the leaf or extract?Edited by: marleysherb
     
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    all i know is that you almost need a scale for it...trying to eyeball a dose of salvinorin A would be quite tricky
    im not sure how it work i don't believe ust eating it produces effects
    perhaps putting it into an alcohol solution and holding it in your mouth
    http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_top ic&f=2&t=001367
    that may help in understand how obtaining salvinrin a is achieved
    then perhaps knowing how to put it back onto salvia leaf or to infuse it bac into the salvia leaf or like i said make a sort of tincture...
     
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    wed. Sounds like they've done it all when it comes to sal A. I am going
    on erowid to educate myself on sal A. I suppose that buying a chemical
    like sal A would is a wild event for anyone. I was suprised to see
    people accually selling it. heh



    Well, finding a mg scale is harder than it sounds. I've got a digital
    .1g+ scale so i can measure 100mg's +, but maybe I need to find a mg
    scale. You think?
     
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    well what you could do is measure it out to something you know...say 100mg or however much you received or will receive and since salvinorin A is soluable in alcohol i would say dissolve X amount of Sal A in Y amount of alcohol

    http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_extraction4.shtml


    "close to 1.5 mg of Salvinorin per ml of alcohol"
    "but some of salvinorin is lost to the methanol because methanol will hold at least 3.15 mg per ml"
    "The reason for this is that IPA will hold about .75 mg of Salvinorin per ml of fluid when at room temperature when the Salvinorin is pure"



    so as you can see while carying on average its about 1mg of salv A to every 1ml of alcohol maybe 1.5
    .75 seems too low to me and 3.5 seems a little high so i would say between 1 and 1.5 sounds right


    so since you know how much salvinorin A you are putting into the alcohol and you know aprrox. how much the alcohol will hold then you can say i am going to put 100mg of salv A into 100ml of alcohol and the measure it with something else (ie syringe, small measuring cup) either way make sure you are precise


    and as long as you know and understand the tincture method that should work for you i wouldn't put all of your salv A into it at once though, in the even that for some reason it doesn't work

    have fun!

    EDIT: sorry just cleaning up my post a little bit for an easier readEdited by: wednesday