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Opinions - Test Kits and Purity

Discussion in 'Ecstasy & MDMA' started by sskott, Oct 12, 2010.

  1. sskott

    sskott Newbie

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    He used the complete adulterant screening kit from dancesafe on some recently acquired "molly" powder

    The rest results were positive using all 3 tests for MDMA


    135mg was weighed out and consumed orally, this did literally nothing for him.


    Do these test kits only show if there is a presence of MDMA?


    Is it possible for someone to cut molly powder so its for example: 25% molly and 75% (some type of filler powder)


    He fills ripped off. He said the powder was a light brown color and tasted bitter.


    Any information would be appreciated.
     
  2. Phenoxide

    Phenoxide Super Moderator Staff Member

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    What were the three test reagents and what color change(s) were observed? We can't advise SWIM on what the tests can and cannot detect without knowing which ones they used.
     
  3. sskott

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    Used Mecke, Marquis, and Simon's Reagents.

    Mecke - Turned black in under 10 seconds

    Simons 1 - Turned light green then was dark blue in about 15 seconds

    Simons 2 - Didn't change the color from Simon 1

    Marquis - Turned black in under 10 seconds
     
  4. Phenoxide

    Phenoxide Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Those results certainly seem to be consistent with a positive test for MDMA or MDEA, and there are no contradictory results that suggests the presence of other active adulterants. Either it's a very clever cut that mimics the structural properties of MDMA in a field test or there is some active compound present.

    As SWIY said, it could be that the substance was cut to hell with something inactive or even piperazines. These field tests are not particularly good for identifying cuts. They are primarily designed for testing presence/absence of certain active compounds, so it'd be very difficult to quantify how much MDMA or MDEA might be present with this kind of setup.

    If SWIY has sufficient curiosity and disposable income, then submitting a sample to a testing lab should clarify exactly what was in this substance (active or otherwise) and provide an approximate indication of purity.
     
  5. sskott

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    That helped a lot Phenoxcide.

    He has about 650mg of the same powder left. Considering 135mg did nothing (and according to the chemical tests, does contain only MDMA or MDEA)

    What would be the safest way to ingest the remainder of the powder in attempt to get an actual beneficial effect out of it? 400mg then maybe 90 minutes later take the rest if he isn't feeling much?
     
  6. Dr. Satan

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    It happens sometimes that MDMA is only used in small quantities to make a test positive, it already arrived with piperazine pills where MDMA was found as only a trace. This doesn't mean that the swiy's product is piperazine but can be linked to the fact that there is another chemical involved.
    Anyway many chemicals can taste bitter so this can't be an indication.
     
  7. sskott

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    He took 400mg of the same powder last night and had to a clean roll. Here is his log:

     
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  8. User-126494

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    Mr Hamster would agree with Phenoxide and Dr. Satan, that one may not know what adulterants are contained in a sample. If one can get a sample to a lab they can use GC/MC analysis to better determine what the contents are.

    As for what SWIY's monkey has, is anyone's guess. Just upping the dosage could be dangerous and even lethal, especially if the cuts are applied in such a manner to read positive on the tests, and happen to be active.

    A dose of 400mg is a rather large dosage. This is a good place to start for using volumetric dosing, and recommended dosage based on body mass:

    Dose - Pure mdma dosage question

    SWIY's monkey would be best to have a tested sample if possible because there could be active adulterants contained in the same which might produce some undesirable results.

    Be informed, be well...
     
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  9. sskott

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    I know 400mg seems large, but considering 135mg did nothing at all. It seemed appropriate. The powder had to have been cut down to about 25% MDMA based on what he experienced. He had a clean roll with negative effects and didn't feel uncomfortable at any point. He weight 135 lbs. of lean functional muscle. He seems to think the 400mg powder had 25% mdma.
     
  10. User-126494

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    Please remember to SWIM....

    That being said, the additives could also be active or inactive. All Phenoxide and Dr. Satan, and Wanderer were trying to say if that SWIY should be sure what one is ingesting.

    Very glad it worked out for SWIY's marmoset this time, but there could have been other nasty active chemicals added to his treats.

    Mr. Hamster just tries to be on the safe side...

    Be well...
     
  11. sskott

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    Specifically what type of nasty chemicals could show up that could be potentially harmful in this type of powder? After the test kit showed presence of only MDMA?
     
  12. User-126494

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    Phenoxide is probably better qualified that SWIM is to answer this, but could be may different types of piperazines, or other RC's. The test kit showed positive for MDMA, but there could be many things it didn't show up. Some are dangerous in the low-milligram range.

    Unscrupulous people will try to make one thing mimic another for a buck, it's sad. Repeat customers are what businesses typically strive for.

    Best to check it out and be informed from a regular testing lab.

    Be well...
     
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