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Discussion in 'Methamphetamine' started by Alfa, Oct 11, 2004.

  1. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    116 y/o from The Netherlands

    COLUMBIA, Mo. - Missouri Sen. Kit Bond, a Republican whose state ranks
    No. 1 in busts of makeshift methamphetamine labs, calls peddlers of
    the highly addictive drug "domestic terrorists."

    Democratic Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa says voters in Midwestern
    presidential battlegrounds are more likely to encounter a meth maker
    than an operative for al-Qaida.

    But while the federal government spends millions to boost state and
    local law enforcement efforts against the made-from-scratch stimulant
    - variously known as crank, meth or ice - methamphetamine has scarcely
    been mentioned by the presidential candidates.

    At the state level, however, candidates stress their commitment to
    fighting meth.

    Police are challenged daily by the audacity of the drug's makers and
    their toxic trails of waste byproducts. Missouri shut down 2,860 meth
    labs last year, more than any other state. Authorities say they are on
    track to exceed that total this year.

    As a political issue, the statistic cuts two ways: It's encouraging
    that thousands of labs are being busted but frustrating that so many
    keep popping up.

    Meth hasn't been mentioned much in recent presidential campaign
    speeches, despite the presumed advantage of localizing appeals to
    audiences in Missouri, Iowa and other Midwestern electoral

    President Bush's recent Missouri bus tour took him through half a
    dozen mostly rural Missouri counties where more than 70 meth labs have
    been busted this year. White House transcripts reviewed by The
    Associated Press show Bush never referred to meth during that Missouri

    Bond said he has "gotten right in the middle of the issue," including
    securing more than $13 million in federal money for local cops to
    fight meth. It pays off politically. More than 70 sheriffs, including
    several Democrats, have endorsed Bond over Democratic challenger Nancy

    Bond told the AP he doesn't recall ever talking to Bush about meth.
    But the senator said meth hasn't broken through as a coast-to-coast
    issue, although it has been called an epidemic by police in locales as
    diverse as southern California and the Ozarks.

    "We do have a very specific Midwest problem," Bond said, "and perhaps
    it's very difficult for a president or his opponent to make it a
    national issue, although drug problems are a national problem."

    Burns, Bush's deputy drug czar, acknowledged as much during
    congressional testimony last February. He said there was a "lack of
    national uniformity" to the meth problem.

    "Simply put, according to the National Drug Intelligence Center, in
    some areas of this country, methamphetamine use and production is not
    classified as a significant problem. Yet in other regions, it is a
    significant threat," Burns said.

    Burns said the Bush administration has spent millions on
    federal-state-local teams battling meth in the Midwest, the Southwest
    and California. He said the administration supports expanding federal
    drug courts and working to "tighten regulatory controls" on meth

    Democrat John Kerry's campaign by train carried him to multiple
    rallies between St. Louis and Kansas City this summer - a stretch with
    more than 350 meth lab raids in 2004.

    Campaign spokesmen assert Kerry may have said something about meth at
    some point in his Missouri travels, but they couldn't provide any
    transcript or news report to back that up. Kerry did briefly refer to
    Iowa's meth problems during a Washington speech last month.

    Surrogates are talking about meth, however. Campaigning for the
    Democratic ticket at the Missouri State Fair in Sedalia, Iowa's
    Vilsack quipped: "Rural residents of Missouri and Iowa are far more
    likely to confront a meth dealer than a terrorist."

    Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards called meth "this
    poison" during an Aug. 16 campaign stop in Greene County, where more
    than 40 labs have been taken down this year.

    "The spread of this has just been deadly out in rural communities and
    small towns," Edwards said, adding that meth is a growing problem in
    his home state, North Carolina. "We have to have a commitment as a
    nation to do something about it."

    Edwards went on to criticize Bush administration funding cuts for law
    enforcement, such as community oriented policing. The Kerry-Edwards
    campaign said more recently that Kerry supports federal legislation
    based on an Oklahoma law making it harder to buy large amounts of
    over-the-counter meth ingredients.

    Bond said the reality of the meth battle is that local officers are on
    the front lines, not federal officeholders.

    Sheriffs interviewed by the AP praised Bond's efforts in delivering
    money. But they would be gratified if the presidential candidates
    talked about national strategies.

    "I'd like to hear them talking about meth, but with action, not just
    buzz words," says Montgomery County, Mo., Sheriff Bob Davis, a
    Republican who recalls the arrest of a whacked-out meth user who
    kissed a horse before brandishing a knife at a deputy.

    Says Franklin County Sheriff Gary Toelke, a Republican whose county
    raided more than 65 meth labs this year: "I know the big national
    issue is homeland security and justifiably so. But I hope in dealing
    with that, they don't lose sight that meth is a growing problem."
  2. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    To make it abundantly clear how bad methamphetamine affects its
    abusers and innocent bystanders, a special video by Video Illumination
    Productions is in the works. The Tullahoma Drug Free Task Force saw
    clips on Tuesday of the video, being produced by VIP, based in
    Winchester. Dale Moore is the company's executive producer while Paul
    Koch is the producer.

    Moore, Koch and Pamela Peck, owner of Mid-State Realty Century 21 and
    a Franklin County Chamber of Commerce director, explained the video's
    intent. They said meth abuse has reached epidemic proportions in the
    immediate area. Not only are abusers affected, but unsuspecting people
    who may later rent property that had been used to house a meth lab.

    The video in its final form will showcase area law enforcement
    personnel - Moore County Investigator Larry Campbell, Franklin County
    Investigator Mike Bell, Franklin County Chief Deputy Tim Fuller and
    others. Moore said meth has become such a widespread problem that it
    affects nearly every community in some negative way.

    The video is called Terrorist Next Door. Inmates in local jails are
    also included.

    They involve a man who had a son taken away because of his meth
    addiction, a young mother who lost two children the same way and
    another woman who has to deal with serving a three-year jail sentence
    and explain to her three children what went wrong.

    Moore said an effort was made to contact local businesses about
    contributing. He said Wal-Mart was more than willing to donate to the
    cause. Ms. Peck said Century 21's corporate office also was very
    supportive of the video effort.

    She said the company as a real estate firm has to deal with property
    damaged by meth labs. She added that the more people know about it,
    the more they can do to take action to combat the drug and its drastic
    effects. Moore said the video will be made available to municipalities
    across the state, and plans are to have it air on the Discovery
    Channel sometime next year. Task Force members agreed it would be good
    to show the video in schools to let children see how bad the side
    effects from meth abuse can be. Koch displayed pictures of children
    burned and injured while they were near meth labs. "The effects on
    children are just tremendous," he said. Koch said if children
    understand how devastating meth abuse can be, they might not want to
    ever experiment with it.

    Task Force chairman Troy Bisby said Tullahoma has taken an initiative
    to combat meth abuse by enacting two separate ordinances. One
    regulates the display, sale and delivery of cold medicines ephedrine,
    pseudoephrine and phenylopropanolamine and the other condemns property
    used for meth production until proper cleanup measures are taken.
    "It's a good first step," Bisby said, adding later: "We're going to do
    what we can to fight meth."

    The drug lab ordinance requires that property owners be responsible
    for site clean-up costs.

    Bisby had said property owners as landlords would take a more active
    interest in whether they rent to meth producers, and the landlords
    would also be more aware about debris from illegal labs being on their
    property. The other ordinance regulates amounts of the cold medicine
    products sold and requires purchasers to show identification and sign
    documents when they buy them.
  3. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    More Addictive Than Crack Cocaine, The Street Drug Is Sweeping Across Canada Like A Toxic Wave

    REGINA -- Rain, saliva and tears soaked the pistol in Mike Lund's mouth. He stood alone in a field near a baseball diamond in Regina, tasting the metal tip of the black .22-calibre Walther.

    In that suicidal moment, he didn't think about the power of crystal methamphetamine.

    He could hardly remember his former life as a store manager who negotiated wholesale deals across North America. He didn't understand how meth had reduced him to an addict, a petty criminal, a small-time drug dealer.

    Now, seven months later, under house arrest, the 24-year-old stitches together the memories from his two years on meth: the gang members who threatened to kill him; the junkie who tried to cut off his own toe; the friend who prowled a rooftop in a dressing gown, swinging a meat cleaver at shadows.

    Mr. Lund has decided to tell this dark story, first to The Globe and Mail and then to anybody who will hear his warning. He's worried about other people like him, he says, about the otherwise ordinary lives shattered by meth's arrival in places that haven't seen such a powerful new drug in decades.

    "Right now, at this very moment, two Grade 10 girls are smoking meth for the very first time at a house over there," he said, gesturing down a street lined with mature trees. "These girls are coming out of nice, peach-coloured homes. . . . They have these beautiful homes and families who love them very much, they have brothers and sisters, they drive nice cars, and they're probably going to be whoring themselves on the corner so they can smoke meth, four months from now."

    That's the heart of the fear about crystal meth. The drug is already rampant among young B.C. street people. What alarms police, doctors, professors and others who study methamphetamines, however, is the way crystal meth has spread across Canada in the past few years.

    It's a toxic wave moving from west to east, they say. A dose of the white crystals often costs less than a pack of cigarettes, it's more addictive than crack cocaine, and it's more likely to cause psychosis than any other drug on the street.

    The awful potential of meth has already been unleashed in the United States, where the wave started in California and crashed into the Midwest, plaguing small towns and making the word methamphetamine more common than the words marijuana or cocaine in U.S. courtrooms.

    Meth hasn't hit Canada so hard, but the emerging patterns are similar.

    Jennifer Vornbrock, a manager at Vancouver Coastal Health, chaired meetings of meth experts last month and discovered that the scourge among her city's young street people has become a problem for middle-class neighbourhoods across the country.

    "It's getting into suburbia and small rural towns that aren't used to dealing with a substance of this magnitude," she said.

    Two years ago, almost nobody in Regina had heard of crystal meth. Mike Lund certainly had no idea what the stuff looked like.

    He was raised in a comfortable house with his mother and brother, earned good grades in school, played violin with a junior symphony, took up classical guitar, and won trophies in hockey, basketball and baseball.

    His strongest talent emerged at age 17, when the long-haired teenager took a part-time job at a store that sells bath products.

    The young man rose quickly from clerk to manager. He cut his hair short and was featured in a local newspaper as a promising entrepreneur. Introducing the store's handmade soaps and bath bombs to the wholesale and export markets, he negotiated deals with clients in California, Nevada, New York and across Canada.

    His first encounter with meth happened on a warm evening in June, 2002. He was finishing his day at the soap store and feeling tired because he had recently started a second job at an auto garage.

    A regular customer invited him to his apartment a few blocks away. He had never visited this guy before, but he was impressed when he climbed the stairs and opened a door into a pristine room with cream-coloured carpets, suspended halogen lights, spare furniture and a glass coffee table.

    His new friend welcomed him, pulled out a small bottle and shook a white rock onto the table. He said it would ease Mr. Lund's fatigue.

    The rock was chopped into powder, and he snorted a line through a glass tube. "This stuff burns, unlike any other drug. It feels like your brain is going to explode, like it just hurts very badly. I'm sitting there, I've got tears streaming down my face, and I'm looking at him going, 'Why did you make me do this?' Two seconds after the pain, though. . . ." He snapped his fingers.

    "Ting! Your brain goes Atten-SHUN! Like boom, all right! You're talking a mile a minute, you can't get enough air into your lungs to say all the words you want to say."

    The high lasted all night and into the next morning, leaving him sleepless but alert. He started taking the drug almost every day. The street phrase for turning people into meth addicts is "making monsters," he says, and that's what happened to him.

    "I ceased being a human being and became a monster."

    Not everybody gets hooked on meth so quickly, and some users can manage the cravings. But law-enforcement officials say Mr. Lund's intense reaction to his first sample was typical.

    "There is no recreational use of meth," said Douglas Culver, national co-ordinator of RCMP synthetic drug operations. "You can't just use it occasionally. It's like a disease."

    The N-methyl derivative of amphetamine works like other stimulants such as cocaine, except the euphoria can last eight to 12 hours. Some experts say its addictiveness is pure chemistry, but others point to the lure of heightened awareness in a fast-paced society. Club-goers can play all night, while truckers, taxi drivers, prostitutes and students can work longer hours.

    "Unlike other drugs, crystal meth has spanned across all kinds of demographics," said Caitlin Padgett, co-ordinator of an outreach group for meth users in Vancouver. "There's just a seductiveness to not sleeping."

    Although national statistics are scare, the number of Canadians succumbing to the seduction seems to be growing. Data from Health Canada's Drug Analysis Service, which tests the drugs seized by police across the country, show the number of meth samples from British Columbia increased 50 per cent between 2001 and 2003; Alberta rose 20 per cent; Ontario 108 per cent; Manitoba 141 per cent; Quebec 457 per cent; and Saskatchewan 857 per cent.

    "It's being seized on a regular basis now," said Corporal Kevin Lamontagne of the Manitoba RCMP drug section.

    The RCMP responded to the growing threat this year by assigning 26 officers to search for clandestine meth laboratories, full time. Police on the Prairies say they're particularly worried because of meth's low price, the easy availability of farm fertilizer used as an ingredient and meth's nickname among their colleagues in the United States: prairie wildfire.

    Warnings are showing up in Prairie towns such as Prince Albert, Sask., which has a population of 40,000 and about 140 meth addicts in counselling.

    Those numbers are still comparatively low, however. Police didn't uncover any meth labs in Saskatchewan last year. During the same period south of the border, police in Missouri raided 2,858 laboratories.

    Similar statistics flashed on-screen at the Western Summit on Methamphetamine in Vancouver last month, and the figures puzzled the international group of experts. The numbers have increased sharply, but the drug still isn't common in Canada. Why has this substance gained a reputation as a serious threat?

    "The drug debate is always plagued by one moral panic or another,"

    notes Cameron Duff, director of the Australian Drug Foundation's Centre for Youth Drug Studies and a keynote speaker at the conference.

    "Perhaps at the moment crystal meth is the drug generating that anxiety, and it might be somewhat out of proportion to the actual reality of the problem."

    Mr. Duff paused for thought.

    "But with crystal meth, it does seem to be associated with more problems, more frequently, than any other drug," he continued. "If you look at all the problems associated with this drug, you think, well, maybe your priority should be on the drug that causes the most harm, irrespective of the number of users."

    The nasty side of meth emerged several months after Mr. Lund's first taste.

    His dealer became his best friend, and they travelled to Calgary together to buy drugs. During his first long stretch of sleepless days, he found himself hallucinating while driving along the Trans-Canada Highway. He saw dragons, old women and children, and kept screeching to a stop from 130 kilometres an hour because he thought he had hit them. Later he blacked out and woke up, still driving, on an unmarked dirt road with the gas gauge inching lower. The motor sputtered to a stop just as he was coasting into a town with a gas station.

    The meth dealer moved into Mr. Lund's house that fall, and started losing his mind. Mr. Lund noticed him standing in front of a bathroom mirror with blood dripping off his face as he gouged imaginary blemishes with a metal pick. Then Mr. Lund found videotapes of the dealer using drugs to rape women in Mr. Lund's bed. He smashed the tapes, kicked him out of the house -- and became a dealer himself.

    "I'd met with all his connections, and I said, 'You're done.'"

    Economics is the backbone of meth's popularity. Mr. Lund sold the drug in Regina for about $140 a gram, or $14 a dose. Desperation sometimes raised the price -- somebody gave him a rusted 1982 Nissan for two grams, and another addict traded his 1980 Chevy van for 1.5 grams -- but it was usually cheap. Studies have found street values as low as

    $4 or $5 a dose elsewhere in Canada.

    Supply drives prices down. Amateurs make the drug with recipes from the Internet, ingredients from the local pharmacy and hardware store, and a healthy dose of courage for mixing volatile chemicals.

    RCMP figures show the number of meth-cooking operations discovered by police has grown in Canada, from fewer than 10 in 1998 to 39 last year. U.S. busts during the same years were far more dramatic, rising from 1,627 labs to 9,763 last year The sheer number of meth cooks south of the border has forced many states to pass cleanup laws requiring decontamination of homes before they're suitable for living.

    Technicians such as Dan Hannan, of Assured Decontamination in Minnesota, climb into protective suits with breathing masks and mop up the puddles of solvents. The usual meth factory is a roach-infested home with an overflowing cat-litter box, he says, but his crews have also been called to motels, mobile homes, outhouses, tree-houses and even an ice-fishing hut.

    Understandably, Mr. Lund doesn't talk about the criminal organization that supplied his drugs. But he laughs when asked about his T-shirt emblazoned with the Big Red Machine logo, a trademark of the Hells Angels. He wants to get something printed on the back, he says, such as, "I screwed up my life for a criminal organization and all I got was a lousy T-shirt."

    In fact, "screwed up" hardly begins to describe Mr. Lund's short career as a drug dealer. He once saw an addict offer to settle a debt by cutting off his own baby toe with a serrated kitchen knife. The man started sawing but only got halfway through the tough sinews, so somebody else had to finish the job.

    Mr. Lund says he was never so cruel. He remains proud of the fact that he never introduced anybody to the drug, even though he jokes about his own depiction of himself as the "Mother Teresa of the meth world."

    He once visited an addict's house and found him in a psychotic state, smashing telephones. The crazed man rushed outside and ripped wires out of Mr. Lund's car, explaining that listening devices were everywhere. Mr. Lund walked to a drugstore, bought sleeping pills, slipped them into the addict's drink and helped the man's girlfriend get him into bed.

    Shortly afterward, he visited another friend and found him on the roof wearing a dressing gown and wielding a meat cleaver, shouting that he had cornered the "shadow people." Mr. Lund persuaded him to climb down.

    It wasn't so easy dealing with the dealers, especially when meth made them paranoid. One dealer secretly stashed $14,000 in an air vent in the basement of Mr. Lund's rented house, forgot about it, and stole Mr. Lund's car on the assumption that he had taken the cash.

    Another dealer put a gun to his head during an argument about drugs, and that's when Mr. Lund started carrying weapons himself. He was still selling perfumed bath products during the day, but his addiction was spilling into the rest of his life.

    One day in March, two thugs parked a van outside the soap shop and cranked their stereo so loud the display windows rattled. One of them confronted him in the store about a drug debt, shoved him around, threatened his life and stole some beauty products.

    Mr. Lund took the threat seriously. "Somewhere along the way I'd pissed somebody off. So I left my store and I never came back."

    Without saying goodbye to anyone, he started camping in the basement of a house belonging to his girlfriend's mother. His family reported him missing and he saw his own photo on the evening news, but he was too afraid to go home.

    It got worse. His girlfriend cheated on him, he started laundering money and police finally caught him with drugs, counterfeit cash and a sawed-off shotgun in his car.

    Shortly after his release from police custody he found himself standing in a park one rainy day, after spending four days awake on meth, fingering the trigger of a snub-nosed Walther he had traded for $10 worth of drugs. He was utterly transformed, from a clean-cut entrepreneur into a street tough who wore a leather skullcap, studded leather cuffs, and a bracelet of bullets on his wrist. And he was thinking about how a bullet would feel in the roof of his mouth.

    "I just snapped," he said.

    The list of health effects from prolonged use of crystal meth is long and ugly, as with most other narcotics. What makes meth unique, researchers say, is how often the drug drives people insane. Users get violent and paranoid. They tend to stay awake for days, binging on the drug, which can lead to psychosis.

    Richard Rawson, a psychologist at the University of California who has studied drug addiction for 30 years, said researchers don't fully understand why.

    "People get crazy on meth like they don't on other drugs," he said.

    At the brink, Mr. Lund pulled back. He threw the gun in a creek and went to bed for two days. It was the most dangerous moment of his struggle with meth, even though it would be months before he escaped its clutches. He was arrested again in June, released on bail, and arrested again in September. This time he wasn't released and spent a month at a remand centre.

    He wept for days as he lived without drugs for the first time in two years.

    The withdrawal symptoms weren't as awful as the full realization of what had happened, he said.

    "Going to jail, that was it, that was rock bottom. And then sobering up and going, 'Holy fuck, I need help.' "

    Mr. Lund pleaded guilty to what proved to be Regina's first case of crystal meth drug trafficking, as well as to charges of weapons offences and using counterfeit currency. The judge sentenced him to 18 months house arrest with an electronic ankle bracelet tracking his movements.

    When he got home, his mother, Wendy Winter, 51, showed him a sketchbook of watercolours she did to express her frustration about his addiction. The sketches formed an alphabet series, with captions such as: "W is for weeping," "and wondering."

    Ms. Winter still wonders about her son. "I can't say I'm 100 per cent sure he's out of the woods," she said.

    When asked whether he still craves meth, Mr. Lund took a long drag on his cigarette and stubbed it out. He exhaled, and stared through the smoke with his blue eyes. "Every day," he said, quietly. "Every day."

    But he wants to rebuild his life. He spends most days back at his old job in the soap store and several nights a week at Narcotics Anonymous. He has started playing guitar again and he's been sober for more than two months.

    How many more Canadians will be transformed this way? Some experts say meth isn't any worse than the heroin and cocaine that swept across the country in recent decades. Others believe meth will burn through Canada unlike any other drug.

    Mr. Lund says there's no time for debate.

    "It has to stop," he said. "These monsters are being created at such high velocity that you can't contain this fire. If you try to contain it, it's going to blow up in your face. You need to extinguish it right now."
  4. white_lighter

    white_lighter Newbie

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    damn that was deep
  5. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    Neighbors: Clean It Up First

    Neighbors of a Cobb County house used as a methamphetamine "super lab" say they're upset because the landlord has already put up a "for sale" sign, but there has been no environmental cleanup.

    About 100 people attended a neighborhood watch meeting Saturday afternoon, which was scheduled long before Feb. 9, when federal agents busted the lab at 200 Church Road near Smyrna. The rental house also had been raided in September after a nine-month investigation into a Mexican drug cartel.

    A red sign warning of hazardous materials remains on the front door, though it's barely visible from the road. But now a red "for sale by owner" sign has been planted in the grass near the curb.

    "Why should he have the right to put that house up for sale and endanger another family or children?" said Shirley Streetman, who lives behind the house. "Legally how can he do that? That's my question."

    Streetman said she was disappointed she didn't get answers at the meeting.

    The operation inside the home's basement was considered a "super lab"

    because it could manufacture more than 10 pounds of methamphetamine a day, federal agents said. Meth was also converted there into its more pure, and addictive, crystallized form, called "ice."

    This month, U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agents seized 11 pounds of ice, 39 pounds of methamphetamine and several 30- to 55-gallon containers that held liquid methamphetamine in various stages of processing.

    Containers of those sizes can yield 10 to 15 pounds of ice.

    Sherri Strange, the DEA's head agent in Atlanta, told the crowd she couldn't discuss the case, but wanted to dispel concerns that the chemicals used in the lab would "forever taint your neighborhood."

    Residents should not worry about eating fruit growing in their yards, she said. If a tree had become contaminated, it would die "long before there's any apples on it," she said.

    The manufacturing process requires pseudoephedrine, found in cold medicines, and toxic materials such as acetone, ethyl alcohol, Freon, ammonia, iodine and acids, according to federal officials.

    The drugs, manufacturing supplies and ingredients found in the house were removed, and sewer lines were flushed all the way to a pumping station. But several immediate neighbors said no one appears to be taking responsibility for ensuring the home and the yard are properly cleaned up.

    They are waiting to hear whether any government agency will sample the soil in their adjoining yards. Georgia needs regulations addressing meth lab contamination, said next-door neighbor Lynn Zinn. "Everybody's handing off responsibility for enforcement," she said. "There's more at stake here than just a neighborhood."
  6. enquirewithin

    enquirewithin Gold Member

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    $7.1bn ice trafficking charge

    From correspondents in Beijing
    March 24, 2005

    From: Agence France-Presse

    A CHINESE gang has gone on trial accused of trafficking more than $7.1
    billion worth of methamphetamine, or 'ice', in one of the world's
    biggest narcotics cases. The eight suspects appeared in court in
    the southern town of Guangzhou, charged with manufacturing and
    trafficking 12 tons of the drug between 1999 and 2002.

    The amount was "almost equal to the amount of ice drug seized globally in 1999", the China Daily reported.

    The defendants, including suspected gang leader Chen Bingxi, 49, face
    the death penalty if found guilty, in keeping with China's hard line on
    drugs including forced rehabilitation of addicts.

    Mr Chen initially escaped to Thailand but he was tracked down in 2003
    and returned to Guangdong, one of southern provinces that are the main
    front of China's battled against drugs.

    Much of the Chinese drug trade involves heroin flowing across the border from South-East Asia.

    Last December, Chinese media reported the biggest ecstasy bust in the country's history, also in Guangdong. </div>
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  7. Pinkavvy

    Pinkavvy Platinum Member & Advisor

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    so there's always a known risk to playing the game, especially at that level .... but the fucking death penalty? damm....
  8. Woodman

    Woodman A very strange person. Platinum Member & Advisor

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    "A CHINESE gang has gone on trial accused of
    trafficking more than $7.1 billion worth of

    Well, no shit!

    No offense, enquirewithin, ... and nice post, but the
    Chinese make everything from home appliences,
    clothing +shoes, to car parts; most of the stuff for
    export to the USA.

    Hell, they all but own Walmart, and even Levi Strauss
    has relocated manufacturing facilities from San
    Francisco to China.

    In order to meet that kind of work order, you just
    KNOW they HAD to be tweaked!

    Cheatng Bastards might as well have been a bunch
    of Baseball players on steroids.

    Edited by: Woodman
  9. poweredbyhate

    poweredbyhate Gold Member

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    I can't even imagine what that would be like. 12 tons over the
    course of a few years is insane. That's a lot of money to be
    made. Sounds like someone got too greedy and got caught in the
  10. enquirewithin

    enquirewithin Gold Member

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    That's really funny. I had never thought of all those factory workers being tweaked![​IMG]

    There's a very active club/ disco scene in Southern China. K and E are popular too.
  11. purplehaze

    purplehaze Gold Member

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    If that's his first offence he might have a bail i doubt it tho but if he does with that much runnin he could probably make a huge ass bail easy, can u imagine 12 tons trafficking in a couple of years if it was individual people he had to be selling to 1 out of 10 people he met on the street lol.
  12. William_Again

    William_Again Gold Member

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    First off china isnt that nice of a country when it comes to drugs or
    other form of illegal activity. If he was offered bail (and he wont, he
    is to much of a flight risk) they would have frozen all his assests and
    confiscated all he owns. He will remain in a cell until the trial and
    then I highly doubt he will get off.
  13. hogg

    hogg Newbie

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    Now I know why every thing comes from China...IEa "made in china" label on my next pair of tennys or my new jeans...These guys never slept!
  14. hogg

    hogg Newbie

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    Feb 23, 2005
    Nice point woodman... didn't read your post prior to writing mine...
  15. club222

    club222 Gold Member

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    Jan 6, 2005

    [​IMG] lol. somebody getting charged with trafficking $7.1 billion </span>worth of meth isn't going to get bail, regardless of if it's his first offense or not.</font></font>
  16. unico_walker

    unico_walker Newbie

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    Jan 25, 2005

    I dunno about you guys but after my first 3 billion I'm retiring from the game[​IMG]
  17. enquirewithin

    enquirewithin Gold Member

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    Dec 11, 2004
    from bermuda
    I read later that the prosecutor had messed up the charges, but I will have to find that story.

    If the ring-leader is found gullty he will certainly be executed, so may some others. Chinese 'justice' is harsh.

    Edited by: enquirewithin
  18. glomp

    glomp Newbie

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    Feb 11, 2005
    In some parts of SE Asia, the death penalty is given really liberally... even to people in possession of an amount of weed equivalent to other countries' "personal use" amounts.
  19. enquirewithin

    enquirewithin Gold Member

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    Dec 11, 2004
    from bermuda
    In the Phillipines and Thailand the death peanlty is given to dealers.
    This is an over reaction to pressure put on them by the US to fight the
    'war on drugs.'
  20. Guest

    Guest Guest

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    I'd be running. Fuck waiting for a court date!!