Paraphernalia - The electronic kratom cigarette is here

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by trdofbeingtrd, May 20, 2012.

  1. trdofbeingtrd

    trdofbeingtrd Gold Member

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    Okay, so today I was talking to the local smoke shop guy (I still can't get him to come to DF), who is really cool, and from what I can tell, does care about people and dosen't just try to make as much money as he can.

    Anyways, the subject went to kratom. He had asked me how people consumed kratom. I told him that most people including myself mixed powdered kratom with something like orange juice, or just made a tea out of the leaves. Then he told me about a friend who told him that they smoked the kratom. From everything I have ever read, smoking kratom might work, but is for the most part a waste.

    So, then he shows me this aimg2.drugsforum.eu_albums_thumbs_18_a08dcfd01d83f2400189913ebf350741d65a96d6c3c43195d2f86012c.jpg

    This ladies and gentlemen is the kratom electronic cigarette.

    It smells like kratom (the yellow part), it tastes like kratom, however, I cannot do a trip report just yet because I already had kratom in my system pretty good and the two to three hits I took did not make a noticeable difference.

    The label on the e-cig says not to consume alcohol while enjoying kratom cig, and not to drive nor operate heavy machinery.

    If this is the real deal, people don't have to worry about in taking their kratom in front of people.

    trdofbeingtrd added 6 Minutes and 37 Seconds later...

    Actually, after re-reading my post, I can see how this is a very very bad thing for kratom.

    Maybe in cooperation with people on this site, we can figure out a way to solve a problem that might just get very huge.

    By the way, I did not buy this, it was given to me as long as I told the owner how it was.
     
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  2. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Anyway, IMO smoking kratom is a complete waste. If someone gets effects that are kratom like from this thing then i would be concerned what they have actually added to it.
    Be sure to do a report.
     
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  3. ZoltanBuchan

    ZoltanBuchan Silver Member

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    I first encoutered kratom in the form of a pre-rolled joint online about 4 years ago. I bought and smoked a couple, got a definite buzz, some slight intoxication, but really nothing special and I didn't buy any more.

    It was only a year or so later I encountered kratom in powder form that I became interested. I brewed up a 5 gram tea made from Thai powdered kratom, and was genuinly shocked at the effects. Genuine euphoria and stimulation, vivid waking fantasies (sexual and otherwise), wonderful afterglow the next day.

    In short, it was barely the same drug I had previously smoked; or indeed, as you suggest, it may not have been the same drug at all, as something else may well have been added to the pre-rolled joints.
     
  4. rawbeer

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    Yeah I am very curious if this works. The fact that you can't effectively smoke kratom is probably a big part of the reason it's still legal in the USA. The great thing about the mass-market headshop legal high industry is that it's not really driven by a desire for novel drugs but for pot replacements - the goal is a smokeable drug that feels just like pot. Kratom will remain a disappointment to people seeking a pot replacement. Not that it's a great thing really, it's just good for Kratom. Most headshop legal high shoppers are too uncreative and lazy to see the beauty of kratom and I'd like to see it stay that way.

    I am becoming more and more concerned that what will get kratom banned in the USA is not kratom but the shit that gets added to it. If this works it likely is adulterated and I will be extra pissed if kratom gets banned because of dangerous stuff it gets cut with.
     
  5. ZoltanBuchan

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    On a similar theme, I worry that someone will be found dead with multiple drugs in their system, one of which is kratom. The tabloid press over her (Britain) single out kratom as the cause, simply becuase its the only one in the coronor's report they're unfamiliar with, and call for its immediate banning.

    For example, 2 teenagers who had taken mephedrone a few years ago were found dead, and the tabloids predicatbly went haywire. Later, it emerged they had also taken large amounts of methadone to come down, which was what killed them. This was of little interest to the papers, who had discovered a new moral threat to our kids.

    So, for example, someone is fond dead with massive levels of heroin and some kratom in their system, or another person is maybe found with fatal levels of alcohol and GHB in their bloodstream, but also some kratom. Being familiar with all of these substances, save for kratom, it is inevitably the kratom which makes the headline and is blamed for the fatalities. Six months down the line, kratom is made illegal.
     
  6. trdofbeingtrd

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    Okay, well, on topic, here is a small trip report.

    Weight: 165lbs
    Age: early 30's

    The substance is a kratom electronic cigarette from an unknown vendor/origin. Looks just like a regular electronic cigarette except it has a green K right above the yellow part or "filter" of the electric cigarette. Works the same as a regular electronic cigarette in it has two parts that fit together, and it vaporizes a substance that is supposed to be kratom liquid.

    I tried this when I woke up so that I would be in withdrawals from kratom to see if I got effect from it. I took one regular hit, held it in for 10 seconds, exhaled. I then took another hit, held it in for about 20 seconds, then exhaled. I waited for 4 minutes, felt absolutely nothing. I then took one last long hit, held it as long as I could, then exhaled. Still within 15 minutes plus, felt absolutely nothing.

    I do not think this is the real deal, although it does very much taste like kratom. I think this is for more of a "stop smoking" aid, but that is if for anything.

    No, back off topic as said above, maybe a thread where the minds of members here on DF could think of some ways to possibly stop a terrible thing like kratom being banned even further.
     
  7. jamajessie

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    Yuck it smells and tastes like kratom! That's one of the many reasons why Panda quit the taste.
     
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    I knew someone who sold these at his store and he said it can take up to 7-8 drags for it to get warm enough to vape the kratom.. Would still like to try this, Would it be really hard to try and make a homemade kratom ecig?
     
  9. ianzombie

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    Whats the point, Jsb2010?
    Smoking kratom is fine, if you like the taste in a blend, but you wont get any effects from it.
     
  10. Space Numpty

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    UHOH, yet again the "Headshops" of this world make another great case for the prohibitionists.

    I just WISH they would stay the hell away from things like Kratom. What they sell is generally shit quality and vastly overpriced..... i cant imagine ethnobotanicals make up a huge percentage of their turnover for that reason.

    So please, Mr Headshop owner (and i know some of you are reading), stick to party powders and hippy paraphernalia and stop screwing up the scene in that desperate attempt to bleed the market dry of every last penny through your reliance on ignorance and to satiate your own greed. Surely the profit margins in selling far eastern manufactured poisons of dubious quality are enough to keep you well fed?
     
  11. SpatialReason

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    In the US, the growing phenomena of "Gas station headshops" has picked up. Pretty much in every privately owned gas station, you can buy your bong, papers, and just about everything down to concealment equipment, scales, and multi-stage grinders. It is rather an extreme consideration that your average teenager, with his cheesy facial hair, can pull off a sale of Kratom, synthetic weed, and everything else he shouldn't be allowed. These places used to include bathsalts, but those have been nailed with extreme prejudice by the narcotics bureaus since people were ending up in the hospitals left and right. They'd assume "oh it is like coke" and lay out a line they are familiar with... and end up OD'ing.

    Which is what makes it worse: your average idiot that goes in to buy porn mags and shit beer is now capable of buying drugs. He will, in fact, smoke his brain to a husk from the chemicals being peddled. People don't know any better. I had met girls in there buying this shit who I quizzed outside of the doors of the gas station (looked about 19), and they actually thought the stuff was "what was on the back" and really didn't think there were chemicals in there! Yeah, damiana doesn't get you that high... These are the same people that, without joking, tell me that "battery acid" is what "LSD" is because it is "acid." I have heard things as stupid as that come out of a coworker's mouth (full grown adult), which scares the ever loving crap out of me that they can peddle this away in the public eye to folks who really are that ignorant.

    My issue is that they give kratom in pill form. It is usually weak and crappy, but if they hit the right "brand," they get extract form, and they can easily have someone pop them while driving, think they are like the other stuff, and end up nodding off while behind the wheel.

    I just don't like seeing gimmicks like this ruin the drugs I love... :|

    PS: I know an owner of one of these gas stations. I will not be angry at him for doing what he is doing, but what is an amazing fact is whenever his "party novelty" sales are double what he makes from food, drinks, cigarettes, and gas... combined...
     
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    If this really has no active ingredients, which is what it sounds like, then I think it's actually a good thing legally. People who buy Kratom products that are total bunk will think Kratom is fake and therefore it will garner less attention.

    Hopefully we have no more incidences of drugs being cut with Kratom, that's the only thing that could really cause legal problems. Kratom itself can't be causing very many hospitalizations, though extracts certainly have some OD potential.

    If Kratom were to get banned we'd all be posting in one big withdrawal thread, after the epic stockpiles that we'll acquire prior to the ban run out of course.
     
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    did you notice any potential pain killing effects or that it coukd be a safe antidote for depression?
     
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    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    You are replying to a post that is almost a year old.
    There are threads in the kratom forum on kratoms use for pain killing and as a use for depression, so its best not to take this thread off topic.

    Kratom can be utilised for pain killing, and while it offers euphoria for new users i would not recommend it for depression as daily use can lead to addiction.

    If you have any more questions wither start a new thread or post in a more relevant thread :)
     
  15. ZoltanBuchan

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    I didn't notice any pain killing effects at all no. But, given that I wasn't in any pain at the time, I wouldn't have done, would I :laugh: However, several people have posted on here about the benefits of kratom as a pain killer, so I'm sure it can be usful.

    As for depression...Don't. Just don't. While kratom will certainly alleviate depression in the short term ie when you're actually on it, the temptation may well arise to use it more and more often...therefore running the risk of addiction.

    To make matters worse, a very common symptom of kratom withdrawal is...depression! If you're simply feeling bad after a shitty day, then the occasional dose of kratom could certainly be a nice way to cheer yourself up.

    However, if you're properly suffering from depression, DO NOT use kratom - or any other recreational drug (especially alcohol) as a solution. The first rule of recovering from depression is - DO NOT self-medicate. There's a strong chance you'll end up feeling worse.

    Prescription drugs, normally SSRIs, the most common of which is citalopram, are far better option -they certainly helped me - and can be prescribed by your Doctor. Bear in mind that they don't work for everyone though. SSRIs take weeks to properly kick-in, and can actually increase your depression (and anxiety) until they begin to take effect. In addition, some - not many, but some - people simply don't respond at all to SSRIs, and even feel significanly better when they stop taking them. Citalopram certainly worked for me...but it's not for everyone. It's areal slow-burner of a drug, and the full benefits may not be properly felt for several weeks, or even months. But I would certainly recommend them.

    However, if you do turn out to be of the unlucky ones who don't respond to them, or even respond badly. inform your GP, and he'll almost certainly advise you to stop taking them, or suggest something different. I'm not trying to scare you here - the chances of having a bad reaction are really quite rare - but you should be made aware of it before starting on them.

    An alternative to prescription drugs is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). I'm not go into details about it here, or I'd be writing for hours, but do a Google search for it and see what you think. I overcame my depression with a combination of the two - a daily dose of citalopram coupled with a weekly CBT session with a therapist. Many people find that CBT on it's own is highly effective in combating depression, so I would certainly recommend looking into it (although unless you can afford to go private, you'll probably have to wait six months minimum to get it on the NHS, unfortunately).

    People's experiences can greatly vary. Some swear by the SSRI pills and don't bother with CBT, some greatly prefer the CBT and scorn the SSRIs. I found the combination of both to be good for me, so I would advise trying both, before deciding what works best for you.

    Good luck overcoming your depression, it's a truly horrible condition, and I hope this has helped.

    However, if you only take one thing from this post, it would be this: DO NOT use kratom, alcohol or any recretional, non-prescription drug to try and beat depression. DO NOT SELF-MEDICATE.
     
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