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Experiences - The TRUTH about Fluorotropacocaine...

Discussion in 'Research Chemicals' started by Richard_smoker, Aug 26, 2008.

  1. Richard_smoker

    Richard_smoker

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    Forgive me for starting a new thread for this post.

    I would kindly ask that members please wait 'til you read it before you get mad and say that I should've posted it in another thread...

    Suffice it to say that I think this experience deserves a thread of its own...I believe the other thread(s) to be too positive and far too much "heresay" which I believe has been propagated by the very few posters (not here) who stand to gain financially by boosting the rep of this RC.

    I recently encountered someone who has actually TRIED this compound...needless to say, his experience and the experience of his girlfriend were, in some ways, TOTALLY DIFFERENT than the internet 'hype'.

    Here's my interview with that person...as you can see, i'm calling this article, "THE FUCKIN TRUTH."



    THE FUCKIN TRUTH:

    ME (to DF Members): First off, I apologize that I have to be "the one" whose sole intention for posting is to propagate one very negative view of this new RC--so dubbed--FTC, for short. I know, this is a big pill to swallow. why? because who wouldn't be interested in a legal compound that is just like coke-only BETTER?? I'm legitimately sorry to burst everyone's bubbles here on DF...honestly, I just don't want anyone else to get SCREWED by the false-hope of an expensive, legal compound that has been touted as being a "3-4 hour legal cocaine"...


    I certainly don't ENJOY being the one to tell everyone that Santa Claus doesn't exist! But, suffice it to say that according to someone VERY VERY close to me, everything about this RC is a bunch of bullshit....

    So, here is the downright honest TRUTH. I recorded my conversation with Rick and I've transcribed it below.

    ME: so, Rick, tell me about your recent experience with fluorotropacocaine, aka 3-pseudotropyl 4-fluorobenzoate


    ME: Wait a second...YOU were the one who was SO EXCITED about this one compound!! For 2 weeks or more, all you ever talked about was FTC-this, and 3-hour-legal-cocaine-that...and you also had RESEARCH to back it up! What happened to all THAT!??



    ME: anything else?


    ME: well, that goes with the territory...I'll bet you must have snorted line after line, right? that's to be expected. How do you think it feels after an all-nighter with 100% pure columbian?



    ME: But, you should've done it rectally...that's supposed to be the BOMB!!

    ME: I mean, according to all the compiled experiences of posters that *I* found. (note: this was the "experiences" of supposed people, posting on OTHER forums...not here...it was ME who compiled some of this info from other boards and posted them here...)



    ME: OK… so was it ANYTHING like cocaine???


    ME: OK…well, that's just 1 person, and 1 experience. I certainly can't throw out a dramatic cease & desist order based on 1 experience of 1 person who isn't even ME!


    ME: Sorry. Go ahead.

    ME: you mean, one red cent.

    ME: off-track, but one quick question...does, "another well-versed member of the opposite sex" mean that she is a coke-whore?

    ME: OK, well can you at least give us an explanation of what it DID do to you??

    ME: What were you expecting?

    ME: Tell us more about what it DID feel like...

    ME: I think so… but I guarantee you that the readers of my forum are not going to be content with the information that you've given me. I need to know MORE...like, What form was the compound in? Freebase, citrate, sulfate?

    ME: How much did you do in one night?

    ME: You dumbass...you weren't supposed to actually COPY those posts!!! "SWIM" means "someone who isn't me"...in other words, you can't believe a damn word of it and you sure as hell shouldn't live your life by a SWIM's "advice"!
    ME: Wait a sec…this doesn't make any sense…First you say that it didn't work, then you say you don't even remember if you had 2 or 3 boosters?? Something sounds fishy about that... sounds to me like there's some definite neurological ACTIVITY there!

    ME: WHY?
    ME: So, it sounds like you're telling me that the FTC is a DOWNER! Is that right?
    ME: OK...enough about you. Tell us more about the "coke-whore":
    ME: That's not what I meant when I said "Tell me more about her"...I was thinking more along the lines of, What is her name? Do you have her phone number?
    ME: So, it sounds like you had an all-around terrible, exhausting experience that in no way even resembled cocaine…am I correct?

    ME: Any parting remarks? What do you say to the people who are dead-set on "trying" it due to the slightest chance that it feels ANYTHING like real coca?

    ME: Would you ever try this compound again?

    ME: How was the second try?
    ME: Sounds like a giant let-down…


    ME: DF Members, please respond... If anyone has additional questions, I can phone Rick at any time.


    -DICK
     
  2. fiveleggedrat

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    Thanks for compiling this.

    Swim did not have high hopes really for FTC anywho.
     
  3. cosmicruler

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    maybe the sulphates not so bad.....?

    does sound shit though
     
  4. Alfa

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    I do not find it strange that a dose of 500mg+ plugged of a stimulant research chemical can lead to sleep. That doesn't mean it is has downer / depressant aspects. It may just be overstimulation. Ask any hard core ecstasy muncher about that one.

    Please ask rick what he would think about this substance if used orally. I mean if there where no ass and nose burns from stumping 580mg of this citrate up there, would that substantially increase Ricks rating of flourotropacocaine ?

    Another interesting thing to consider is quality of product in contrast to quality of substance.
     
  5. fiveleggedrat

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    How sure is Swiy that said FTC was pure?

    Just curious :p
     
  6. radiometer

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    According to the first supplier to consider marketing this compound, who sent Eddie a sample of the freebase, HCl eats it for breakfast thus it should not be suitable for oral use. Tellingly, this supplier never did enter this compound into their catalog.

    Eddie and spouse tried 50mg of the freebase orally and found the affair a waste of time. The rest of the sample was given away.
     
  7. Richard_smoker

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    Hmmmm..... you know, just when I thought I had heard of EVERYTHING! alfa, this is certainly a possibility, albeit something that i've never heard of!..hmm....Will ask Rick to explain further...

    Will ask... and will report back after I get some solid answers!

    thanks...from Rick's report, (unless his compound is BUNK), i'd say that 50mg would be WAY underdosed...fyi:he demonstrated to me (with salt shaker) what 45mg is equivalent to...and this was TINY! in fact, 50mg is 1/4 of previously recommended rectal dose...one can only imagine that absorption of rectal=higher than oral, therefore making 50mg look even more miniscule....was that the only form that Eddie tried? oral?

    you know, that's EXACTLY what I was thinking...it could very well be that the source of his product was of the shady, not-upfront-variety... I know one thing. Rick said it was NOT cheap!

    Otherwise, great additions/ideas guys... Keep 'em coming. Rick does come out of hiding once in a blue moon...In the meantime, I will keep an eye-out for him, and report back as soon as I see/hear from him!

    -DICK
     
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    Someone financially benefiting from the sales claims this:
     
  9. Panthers007

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    A few (2 - 3 tops) bio-assays using the above suggestion should clear this up once and for all. Either it works as 'advertised' above - or the marketeer is proven a lair and samples should be checked for efficacy as a toilet-bowl cleanser.
     
  10. radiometer

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    Eddie simply assumed the base would hurt like a mo-fo if insufflated and did not consider it. He's rather cautious about putting things up his nose - no doubt the result of some childhood trauma. ;)

    He knows his friend did not consume the remainder of his sample - he just may have to ask for it back. But he just has a hunch that thus stuff is not really worth bothering with and feels apprehensive about experimenting with it any further. Like I said, I found it particularly telling that the individual who sent the sample of this compound to Eddie many months ago never did end up deciding to sell any.
     
  11. psychedelaholic

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    SWIM is expecting a 500mg sample of this material sometime soon in the post and will try freebasing it. Would the method be the same as with making crack? 4:1 ratio FTC:bicard with a little water on a spoon, then dunked in a glass of hot water and allowed to cool? SWIM presumed it could then be smoked too?
     
  12. Panthers007

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    Turning it into freebase with sodium bicarbonate is straight-forward in this instance. Same as for cocaine hydrochloride. The only caveat is that the citrate will become sodium citrate - a powerful anticoagulant when applied topically. Read: Do NOT use this if you have a nosebleed.

    No one has tried smoking this as a freebase material. As it is halogenated, I'd council against this.
     
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    SWIM extremely rarely has nose bleeds, never had a full on one, only gets slight ones from doing excessive amounts of K. SWIM has never freebased coke but has read about it and been told how to do it. Is the method stated correct? 4:1 ratio?

    Fair point about it being flourinated, SWIM will not try smoking it unless someone confirms it is ok.
     
  14. Panthers007

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    The amount of citrate is small. And the amounts don't really matter as long as there is enough NaHCO3 (sodium bicarbonate) to neutralize the amount of citrate. Just 1:1 is overkill but won't hurt. 4:1 with the tropacocaine being the 4: should be fine.
     
  15. fonogoodreason

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    i would like to add this compound did make me feel quite sleepy.... but so does good quality cocaine. makes me yawn loads.

    although this compound had alot of hype and didn't really deliver, i saw enough to think that there is still some promise.
     
  16. mcempire999

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    I am interested in this compond myself. Why wouldnt the synthesiser make a hcl of this compond rather than citrate?

    i have read somewhere (can't remembet from which site) that it looses yield when changed to hcl salt and from elsewhere it was stated that once its in hcl form its not that soulable. can any one shed some light on this?
     
  17. Richard_smoker

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    yeah, the lack of HCl product goes back to the difficulty keeping product=FTC-HCl...probably what happens is that the FTC splits in half and each half binds selectively to the -HCl...something like that would cause your product yields to diminish...and there's nothing special about -HCl...in fact, HCl is "Hydrochloric acid" when it dissolves in water (translation:nasal mucousal discharge!)...no doubt, this is the culprit for many a nasal septal defect suddenly diagnosed in 1988.

    -DICK
     
  18. Panthers007

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    Might also play an electron-ic tug-of-war with the F rad on the molecule.
     
  19. mcempire999

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    oh i c. being a win series analouge it would also be stereoselective so there will be 2 types of isomers of which will yield even less.

    this flurotropacocaine is not the same as tropacocaine yea they derive from tropane alkolids but synthesis is different for the fluro synthesis the synthesiser will have to make ecgonine first and then produce the flurotropane which is damn hard where as normal tropacocaine is straight forward (i would imagine seeing the synthesis and comparing it to the cocaine synthesis(hella hard).

    But it makes me wonder if some one was to synthesis tropacocaine how many steps would they have to take to convert that directly in to cocaine or any of the win series? as the core struture is present better core struture to work with then tropinone/atropine or Succindialdehyde.

    Doing it this way would it be easy to handle the outcome (sterospecific (-)-). As it is stated for the tropacocaine synthesis that there is no need for the split of isomers so it would suggest the isomer may also stay the same while coverting it in to cocaine or win (-)- and not (+)-.

    im just throwing it out there i dnt know if it has been done or even tried hell i dnt know if it will work but would like some feedback on this issue from educated ppl.

    Any suggestions

    mcempire999 added 535 Minutes and 39 Seconds later...

    Ive jus looked at the tropacocaine structure its actualy (+)- sorry my bad. But benzolytropeine is (-)- so if some one could tweak the tropacocaine synthesis by changing some precursors.

    the structure for benzolytropeine is pretty close to the same as cocaine jus 2-3 steps needed after benzoyltropeine is made.
     
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  20. piuiher

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    so anyone can tell us about water solubilty of the freebase? 'cause I remember some forum stating that the freebase was not really that much soluble (nose friendly).