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Snorting - Theoretically, can't kratom be snorted/insufflated?

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by Sumeru, Sep 23, 2013.

  1. Sumeru

    Sumeru Silver Member

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    So, I have to wonder... if the Thais can chew on kratom leaves all day long and get effects from buccal administration through the mucous membrane lining the mouth, why is it that the active chemicals in kratom can't be absorbed through the sinuses or nostril membranes via snorting powder? Would this work?
     
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    trdofbeingtrd Palladium Member

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    I would think that while this should work, it would probably fuck up the sinuses to where a person would not want to ever do it again. Plant matter really should not go up the nose.
     
  3. Sumeru

    Sumeru Silver Member

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    Well, not to argue, but Amazonian peoples have been snorting yopo for hundreds of years... that's just ground up DMT-containing seeds. What's more, there are some tribes in South America that snot the burnt inner bark of certain trees. Also, tobacco snuff.
     
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    trdofbeingtrd Palladium Member

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    Oh, we'll I stand corrected, but.... I will give someone else the honor of finding out what happens if it goes good.

    By taste alone I would not want to try, but thank you for raising an interesting idea. I always wondered about plugging kratom tea. Then again, no more opiates or kratom for me. Good thread.
     
  5. Sumeru

    Sumeru Silver Member

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    Thank you. I try not to be redundant when I can help it. Although I feel others have asked this question in the past, no one's really gone into the physiology of it.

    I figure that if kratom's alkaloids can be absorbed by the lining of the mouth, they should be able to be absorbed by the rectal wall too. In which case I don't think the nostril linings are far fetched.
     
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    Amazing Jeans Silver Member

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    When ever I have seen a tribe snorting a powder it is a tiny amount of a powder, with Kratom you would need far too much to make it a possibility unless you fancy sticking several grams of powder up your nose I think we can say this idea is a no goer. :)
     
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    Moving Pictures Titanium Member

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    I've made extracts with alcohol and let them dry way past a gummy point to where when scraped up, it was flakey and easy to crush into a powder. I suppose if one had a low tolerance, they could snort some of that but that would still probably have to snort at least a gram.

    I was messing with this girl who wanted to snort anything she could: benzos, phenobarbital, stimulants, hydrocodone pills (huge fuckers), even buspirone for so reason. She just liked snorting.

    Well she's still at my house and we have a bag of kratom and she's like "I wonder if you could snort kratom?". Well at first I was gonna be like "nah" but I kinda wanted to get her over her little snorting fetish and also wanted to fuck with her so I'm like "yeah, sure but you'd have to snort a lot". She's like "well I don't care". So I weigh out like 2 grams of powder kratom into this huge fat line and she goes to snort it and barely got like a quarter of it up her nose before she starts coughing and choking and dry heaving and opens my front door and start spitting and shit for like 5 minutes. Then she sits back down and tries to finish the rest! Repeat once more until she decided "you can't fucking snorting this shit!!". I sat their and laughed my ass off. She was such an idiot.

    Sometimes the only way to learn that the hot stove will burn you is to touch it.
     
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  8. Boltzmann

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    This point is valid - to a point. There is a difference - a huge difference! - between snorting/insufflation and using nasal snuff.

    The material is mostly dry, finely but not too finely ground, and then the material is lightly breathed into the inside of the nose. You do not bring it into your sinus cavities. That can cause significant injury and will hurt a lot. It also won't get you off.

    This ROA works quite well for tobacco because you don't need to ingest 20g of tobacco to get a decent experience. And likewise, you don't have to absorb all of the nicotine in the tobacco to call it an efficient use, whereas you would have to absorb most of the mitragynines in order to not waste it all. I can't imagine someone taking the wet, rpost-use nasally administered kratom and then eating it to get the other 1/2 or 2/3rds of the psychoactives. All-around it sounds wasteful.

    What you *could* do is make a resin extract or a whole alkaloid extract, powder it, and then snort it. That would work well, get you what you want, and be like the normal practice of snorting, not like 'smelling' or lightly 'sniffing' after the fashion of tobacco snuff.
     
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    If someone finds a practical, successful way to do this, I will love you forever.
     
  10. juggalotweeker17

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    I hate to bump an old thread but i have seen pure alkaloid blends on the market. As well as full spectrum tincture which is highly concentrated. I wonder if one could evaporate the tincture and sniff the residue or if its possible to use the tincture as a nasal spray. I have heard reports that 6-7 drops of full spectrum tincture is too much for most.
     
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    Well UEI is just powdered indo kratom infused with pure alkaloids, and i have heard of people who tried to snort it. Apart from the pain in the nose and the disgusting drip the majority claimed it still took about 15 minutes to feel anything, which would indicate that it is not being absorbed any faster.
     
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    That would almost make me think they're just absorbing the drip through the stomach. In unconcentrated form, it may simply not be absorbable through nasal mucosa.

    I just don't understand why I haven't seen any powders of the main alkaloids responsible for its effects. If someone had a pure 7-OH-Mitragynine or Mitragynine powder, I can't possibly imagine why this wouldn't work.

    Why aren't there any powders around? Is the extraction/cleaning/defatting/crystallizing process just very difficult? I know nothing about this particular aspect of Kratom, so pardon if this has been covered.
     
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    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    The pure chems are sourced from china and only one (possibly 2) large vendors in the US recieve any. It is used to make enhanced products like UEI.
    I am personally delighted that they are not sold openly in pure forms, they would be extremly dangerous and addictive and would lead to further negative attention on kratom.
     
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    No doubt about that whatsoever. If Kratom didn't taste so awful, it would probably not still be legal. :)
     
  15. Sumeru

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    This I can agree with. Kratom is ultra-bitter. I often wonder if it's specifically the active alkaloids that make it bitter, or other plant material.
     
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    one US vendor sells physically extracted 90+ % alkaloid extracts. I've been curious to see if this is possible. I have the feeling that 100mg of the stuff might do the job.
     
  17. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Physically extracted?
    What does that even mean, lol
    I think that sounds like the sort of vendor you need to avoid and not the type to buy over-priced extracts with the intention of snorting them from. :)

    Physically extracted?
    I'm confused, did they somehow had pick the alkaloids from the leaf?
    Oh Dear ;)
     
  18. Goinsdisease

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    yeah, I don't know either. Some proprietary process I suspect. But without getting into discussion of sources, this is one of the top three if not top five reputable vendors in the United States.
     
  19. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Really?
    Can you explain what the qualifications are to get into this top list?
    Ive been using kratom for close to a decade, ive used many US vendors but i have never come across anything that resembled a top 5 list.
    I would be very interested in learning what it takes to get into it.
    It would be a good addition to the how to buy kratom thread. :)



    If you do order this 'physically extracted' stuff make sure that you get clear details from the vendor of the exact process used to create it before you go snorting it. Let us know how it works out for you. :)
     
  20. Goinsdisease

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    The poll was from one of the more lively kratom related forums. A small sample size to be sure, but the closest thing I've seen to an official poll. Of the several pages of respondents, perhaps one in three listed this vendor among their favorite.

    By the way, I think your stickies are nearly perfect.
    If more people followed them, they would avoid a lot of grief.

    PS I have no plans to insufflate any type of kratom extract. The conventional method works just fine for me. Like the OP, I wondered if it was possible.