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Oral use - Tips on dosing 25I-NBOMe

Discussion in 'Phenethylamines' started by blackey, Jul 24, 2012.

  1. blackey

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    My first experience with 25i-NBOMe was great I loved it, it really cured me of my self-conscious thoughts and depression.

    I first stuck a 500ug square in my upper gums held it there for 40 minutes but did not swallow my saliva.
    I dosed again with a 1MG square but this time under my tongue for 40 minutes but did not swallow saliva.

    My question, is it really necessary to keep all this saliva in my mouth? It sort of hurts to keep my mouth closed and full of spit for 40 minutes. Can I swallow every few seconds to remove the saliva build up?

    I was thinking that if I swallowed the saliva before it built up but kept the blotter in contact with my gums or under my tongue it wont make a difference if I swallow or not as long as I don't swallow the little square. Or is it necessary to keep the saliva till the end because the 25-I is not immediately absorbed through the gums.

    Thanks :)
     
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  2. Aminatrix

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    From the 25i-NBOMe badger:
     
  3. blackey

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    Alright thanks, I have 25i-nbome-acetate I assume acetate is what it is complexed with. I feel euphoric 20 minutes in when I dose so It must be complexed. Its not too much of a hassle to tongue the square I've found that keeping the tongue and mouth relaxed and not tense produces a lot less saliva.
     
  4. xiaobendan

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    So it will dissolve in water and be active without HPBCD?

    Afoaf plans to dossolve 10mg into 30ml of water and then use a pipet to blotter 1ml/333ug doses onto dry sugar lumps. These are easy to keep under the gums. Even if my 0.000gram scale is off by 1 or 2mg, say i want 10mg but it's really 12mg, the doses will be 400ug max. That's not out too much.

    He's worried about the solubility of this chem in water. Some say ethonal or HPBCD is essential others say once it a HCL salt it will dissolve.

    He's nervous about dosing this chem, it's so potent and new there is definate dangers to dosing it properly and accurately.
     
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  5. Aminatrix

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    If it is the HCl salt, then it should dissolve into water. It is active sublingually without HPBCD, but you have to hold it under the tongue for 40+ minutes, and it may not be as effective.
    Freebase should be active sublingual also, but may need ethanol to dissolve.
    HPBCD is highly recommend to make it easier to dose, holding for 20 minutes is hard enough. Remember if using sugar cubes not to swallow for 40+ minutes without complex, 20+ minutes with HPBCD complex.


    Check your math, it's very scary. 10mg into 30ml of water is 333.33333ug per 1ml. (333 + 1/3 ug)

    If it's actually 25i-NBOMe HCl (or 25i-NBOMe Acetate [Acetic Acid salt]) then it should dissolve in water. If it's not dissolving in water, then it most likely isn't the salt. You can test by adding a small amount of 25i in water, and adding drops of Acetic acid (vinegar) into the mix, and agitate. If it dissolves once acid is added, then it was given to you in freebase, and you will have to convert it into the HCl (or Acetate). Check http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=190302
     
  6. xiaobendan

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    Thanks for your help. You spelled it out nice and clearly.
     
  7. a12mcmullin

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    The sugar cube method will not work usong 1ml of water, the cube cannot hold it as I just tried. Is there another ratio to use using less water?

    a12mcmullin added 83 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

    What about using 40mg of 25i and disolving it into 30ml water and then using .250 of a ml for each cube?
     
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  8. Ghetto_Chem

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    Yes... Unfortunately sugar cubes are not ideal for Nbome administration as the substance gets "deactivated" when taken orally. It has to be consumed sublingually/buccally or some other method where it enters the bloodstream quicker, avoiding metabolizing.

    From what I remember a typical dropper drops about ~25 per 1ml, although the smartest thing to do is buy your bottle/dropper and measure it yourself to see. Then go from there based on what weight you using. For 25 to 1ml, 8ml would make 250ug drops. Best to always go on the low side when dosing drops as its not perfect and each drop will be different in size.

    Edit- Yes that would work no problem, but again cubes don't work.

    -GC
     
  9. a12mcmullin

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    What kind of blotter paper can hold even .250ml per square? It doesnt seam possible on your typical blotter paper, seams as though you would have to concentrate even higher.
     
  10. Ghetto_Chem

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    ^^Exactly. I'd rather not go into that on here, I don't give out instructions on laying Nbome's but it is possible of course.

    Here's the easy way to do like I was saying before with the drops. Just cut one inch by one inch pieces of paper towel, then drop one drop onto it. Best to use ethanol since it dries quicker, but water works too. Only one drop at a time, then wait to let it dry before applying another. Once the "hits" are dried, fold them in half, then in half again to keep the plies from coming apart. You could then maybe use a tiny bit of glue to keep it from unfolding but not necessary. Then there you have a hit of Nbome dry and easily put whereever.

    If you need anything more than that, your selling it and your not welcome here.

    -GC