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Tools for recovering from (meth)amphetamine addiction

Discussion in 'Amphetamines addiction' started by ~lostgurl~, Jun 24, 2008.

  1. ~lostgurl~

    ~lostgurl~ Platinum Member & Advisor

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    This drug world isn't easy and the longer you're in it the more people you will meet that will be a bad influence on you. They say there are no friends in drugs, not quite true but they are fewer and further between than you might think. (in the meth addiction world anyway) Eventually these people will destroy your faith in humanity, or worse, bring you down to their level.

    Meth I don't believe is bad, but with it being illegal and costly it brings out the worst in people and will just keep taking you to new lows.

    You need to believe in yourself, believe you are worth more than that, believe you are not one of them, believe through hard work you can make an awesome future for yourself, you can get past this.

    Here are my main tips, some may disagree, this is just my opinion but I believe it works.

    1. If you can afford your habit, use without it negatively affecting your relationships, job etc, if it doesn't make you go crazy and if you can score without dealing with low lifes, if you can eat and sleep fairly normally, if you can keep your habit from escalating to ridiculous amounts, if you can keep yourself safe from the law and if you truly feel it makes you a more productive, likeable, happy person, then I personally don't see a problem with using. I doubt any person could tick off all of that list though.

    If not these things will help somewhat, but you really have to work at it and it wont be easy.

    1. Sleep 8 hours, normal times 11pm to 7am or something like that.
    2. Eat healthy, treat yourself but try and get all your vitamins and minerals - take supplements also, especially B vitamins and omega 3.

    3 If you can get a script for Ritalin, this could be your way of having your cake and eating it too. It's not from the yummiest bakery but it could be enough. Maybe you are lacking something in your chemical make up and a safe legal prescription can help this. You will know more than anyone if this is true. 4. Exercise, even just a 20 minute walk a day, housework, gardening, if you have a physical activity that you enjoy or that helps you de-stress, do that.
    5. Don't get a job, plan for a career. What do you love doing other than drugs? What are your talents? How could you turn that into an income? research it, figure out where you are headed in life and make that your priority. Study or work 3 jobs to save enough to start your own business, get an apprenticeship, but do something more than work, think about working towards an end goal.
    6 Dream big. Work for those dreams.
    7 Love yourself, believe you are worth it, believe!
    8 Find a support network. If you don't have close friends and family then join a club or organisation that interests you, social interaction will be hard at first but after awhile you'll realise how rewarding true friendship is.
    9. Do something for someone else wherever you see the opportunity, it will help you to believe in yourself, help you to find the empathy that used to be a part of you and you maybe lost in the haze of addiction. It will help clarify what's important in this world. Make a difference in someone else's life, big or small, they will appreciate it and it will boost your self esteem.
    10. If you need it, get counselling, maybe even go on antidepressants if needed. You will need as much help as you can get to turn all the negative energy in your life into something positive, changing your thought processes, your habits, moving from instant gratification to long term satisfaction.
    11. Separate yourself entirely from any drug user who doesn't have your back and isn't 100% supportive of you going clean.
    12. If you believe in God, go to church, faith can do wonderful things. Even if you're just curious, try it, you never know. If its not your thing move on.
    13. Do something everyday for YOU something that makes you happy, whether it be watching a good movie, chatting with a friend online, playing a game, running, cooking a nice meal, eating chocolate..... indulge yourself, you don't have to hate pleasure, you just have to have limits and boundaries that are safe and healthy.
    14. If you are a risk taker and you miss the excitement, go jump out of a plane or try an adrenaline junky sport.
    15. Remember this is your journey and yours alone, what works for one person every time may never work for you. Tailor your recovery to suit your individual needs.
    16. Fight, persevere, never give up! If you slip up and use remember this is a "lapse" not a relapse" You can still choose to get back on your recovery path, one slip up or two or three doesn't make you a failure, it makes you human. Take note of the experience and the triggers and the feelings and think about whether that puff was worth putting your whole future on the line for. All your dreams and hopes, is a puff worth more than your dreams?

    ...............


    Threads that may be useful in recovering from (meth)amphetamine addiction:


    Renegades Chemical Cocktail Cure for methamphetamine addicts

    Amino acids and recovery from methamphetamine abuse


    Activities that may aid recovery from (meth)amphetamine addiction

    Counselling
    Rehab
    NA (Narcotics Anonymous)

    Saunas
    Meditation
    Exercise
    Sunlight

    Force yourself to do normal every day things:

    *Get up, out of bed and dressed every morning.
    *Do not sleep during the day
    *Do dishes every day
    *Do laundry as soon as there is enough for a load
    *Take care of yourself
    *Cook healthy meals
    *Drink lots of water


    Excerts from threads in this forum that contain information that may aid recovery from (meth)amphetamine addiction

    Micklemouse

    Eat well, sleep lots, get a good strong B vitamin complex and a calcium/magnesium supplement on top of any multivits you get. Selenium and 5htp won't hurt either for keeping your mood on a level through what could be a dark period ahead.

    co-incidence

    Cortiscosteroids might alleviate the feeling, of having no energy, feeling like rusted (lack of the activity of the adrenal glands after supreessing it with amphetamiens), as well as the to this image related depression might be resolved.. beware of taking more than th 7.5mg prednisone equivalent (cushingoid threshold)!

    Synacthen or Tetracosactide will stimulate your adrenal gland that might have suffered dystrophy to grow and produce its hormones again, other peptide drugs like growth hormone and IGF and analogues will help to prevent kidney dystrophy, but they won´t help with any hypothalmic/pituitary lasting suppression (swim hasn´t done any research on the suppressive action of amphetamines on the HPA axis, but he assumes that´s not that bad as a supression due to prolongued very high dosed corticosteroids or steroid use, per se)

    BrugmansiaBrujo

    5-HTP
    Rhodiola Rosea
    Ginko Biloba
    Ginseng


    Also if you are experiencing a bit of depression, but don't like the idea of turning to yet another drug to deal with that, take a look at using the herb sceletium torturosum. Sceletium powder taken in gelcaps orally makes a good all day mood brightener. Sceletium is also available in pharmaceutical form, in 50mg tablets.

    If you are not yet into eating lots of foods with chilli peppers in them, that might be also something to try. The capsacin in chillies causes your brain to release endorphins, natural opiate-like chemical your body can make; endorphins make you feel good. Excercise also
    releases endorphins.

    rocksmokinmachine

    Number 1: Try to work out why SWIY uses

    Number 2: Cut off all SWIY's conections (This is probably the hardest one)

    Number 3: Indentify triggers in your life, this could be anything personal to you. It could be something as silly as a phonebox SWIY uses to ring his dealer that gives you the urge to use. Write these down and avoid.

    Number 4: Identify high risk situations in which you would normally use. Write these down. Avoid them. These could be places your friends/aquaintances houses/flats for example.

    Ohboy

    Eat lots of whole foods...meat, eggs, dairy, even bananas. These have tyrosine, which the body converts to dopamine.

    Exercise - Dopamine is used in movement.

    cosmicruler

    taking L-Tyrosine and 5-HTP a couple hours before swiy wants to sleep...try eating healthy and exercising and drinking alot of water....

    sqyttles

    Getting some l-deprenyl from a doctor or an India pharm to take for the couple days after using meth. It normalizes dopamine and noradrenaline production. Plus, it is a neuroprotectant; some people take it before Ecstasy to reduce neurotoxicity.

    ~lostgurl~

    Melatonin to normalize sleep patterns: Melatonin, it is a natural sleep aid that helps adjust your circadian rhythm so that you sleep at night and wake during the day. Often with heavy methamphetmine use a person will stay up all night long which disturbs the circadian rhythm in a way that is similar to both jet lag and changing time zones. It does not make you feel drugged like prescription sleeping pill but eases you back into a normal sleep pattern. It is also non-addictive so is a great alternative for a recovering addict.

    Vitamins recommended by health shop:

    Extra B + C
    Take 1 pill 1 hour before breakfast
    A high potency balanced B-Complex with 500mg Non-Acid Vitamin C
    Contains:
    B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B12
    Calcium, Biotin, Choline Bitartrate, Folic acid, Inositol
    Vitamin C

    Ultra C 1000
    Take 1 pill 1 hour before breakfast & 1 pill with dinner
    Advanced Poly-ascorate Vitamin C Complex with Bioflavonoids
    Contains:
    Vitamin C
    Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium
    Bioflavonoids, Rosehip, Zinc

    B6
    Take 1 pill 1 hour before breakfast
    Contains:
    Pyridoxine Hydrochloride 240 mg

    DL-Phenylalanine 500mg
    Take 1 pill 1 hour before breakfast
    Contains:
    D-Phenylalanine 250mg
    L-Phenylalanine 250mg

    Women’s or Men’s Multivitamin & Mineral
    Take 1 pill with lunch

    Multi Mineral
    Take 1 pill with dinner

    Taurine500mg
    Take 1 pill 1 hour after dinner or in the evening

    Protein Shake Powder
    Can substitute or be used in combination with breakfast or dinner

    The biggest issue for my girl has been switching her mind set from instant gratification to long term satisfaction. It's so hard to do things because they will make your life better in the long term when you are used to doing things that make you feel great instantly. Having people in your life that really care and are really proud of the changes you have made really helps.

    What is also important is not beating yourself up if you slip and use again. It is a lapse not a relapse. So many people slip up and use then because of the guilt they think they are a fuck up so they keep using. Just because you lapse doesn't mean you have to relapse. Refocus and get back on track. Lapses could happen for the rest of your life but as long as you see them for what they are, a normal part of addiction and a normal part of recovery, then you can stay on track and not let it affect your long term goals.


    Archive Articles relating to the recovery from methamphetamine addiction

    Suppression of methamphetamine-seeking behavior by nicotinic agonists (2006)

    Women with methamphetamine dependence: research on etiology and treatment (2007)

    A nine session manual of motivational enhancement therapy for methamphetamine dependence: adherence and efficacy (2007)

    Bupropion for the Treatment of Methamphetamine Dependence (2007)

    Treatment for amphetamine dependence and abuse (2001)

    Bupropion Reduces Methamphetamine-Induced Subjective Effects and Cue-Induced Craving

    Cognitive Behavioural Intervention for Amphetamine Users

    Reboxetine May Be Helpful in the Treatment of Amphetamine Withdrawal (Bowers and McBride, 2004)
     
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  2. cosmicruler

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    Re: Tools for recovering from methamphetamine addiction

    This is very,very good and valuable information.
    Thanks for posting SWIlostgurl
     
  3. lowster11

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    Lot's of good rules to live by!
     
  4. cyndi

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    Swim also likes this thread. Yes she agrees breaking with old using buddies can be tough and making sober buddies. Swim is working on that one as she has to find things she has in common with them since she was used to friendships based on drug use.

    Another issue is finding fun things to do that do not involve drugs. She has found that even going out dancing, alcohol is usually served and that leads to cravings in her case for the old doc.

    Counseling is a good one, usually there are underlying reasons that addicts have to deal with to be whole again and not go back to negative patterns.

    Swim agrees relapses are to be learned from and just don't stay in the relapse. They are very common with meth addicts she knows. One just has to readjust and discover what was the trigger that caused the relapse so they can avoid it.
     
  5. Felix Guattari

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    Re: Renegades Chemical Cocktail Cure for methamphetamine addicts

    Anyone who is trying to stabilize a significant biochemical disruption (such as, say, amps addiction) would be well advised to supplement with some (or a lot of) neurotransmitter precursors. Someone mentioned L-Dopa, but I'd advise against it, as there is a very long list of possible side-effects due to its decarboxylation in peripheral tissues. When it is used clinically, it is co-administered with an enzyme inhibitor to prevent this, which is also unfortunately rather unselective.. too complicated to be worth it, methinks.

    I'd add 5-HTP, l-tyrosine (precursor to dopamine and other catecholamines) and l-phenylethylamine (the brain's 'endogenous amphetamine) to this combo, as well as COQ10, which both combats oxidative stress and indirectly raises dopamine levels. Vitamin B6 wouldn't be a bad idea as well, as it is a cofactor in the biosynthesis of dopamine from endogenous l-dopa (which is made from l-tyrosine, which you've also increased... get the picture?).

    I'm not sure it would be compatible with this 'recipe' (in fact, I'm pretty sure it would very ill-advised), but an approach to treatment using primarily precursors and an MAOI inhibitor (full inhibition might be preferable, but one could also look into an MAO-B inhibitor such as l-deprenyl) is an interesting possibility as well and might involve fewer side-effects than that mega-stack. Modafinil might combine safely with this combo as well.

    A good nootropics regimen would likely be a good idea as well.

    It makes good political sense as to why the problem of treating methamphetamine addiction hasn't gotten a greater response from the medical community. Meth addiction is fairly new (at present scale) and primarily afflicts the often already poor of rural areas, whose access to medical care may already be spotty...

    It's all about money.
     
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    Are any of the suggestions in this thread contraindicated during pregnancy?
     
  7. Felix Guattari

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    l-deprenyl hasn't been studied in pregnant women. My bet would be that most of the amino acids and vitamins would be safe, but I would have to do research on them separately to have any sort of certainty. My suspicion is that most doctors wouldn't be able to say off of the top of their head either, though it wouldn't hurt to ask your MD.

    B6 supplementation is often recommended to pregnant women, so that wouldn't likely be a problem. C,D,E and K are often recommended as well.

    Unfortunately, AFAIK anyway, there's not much info out there on the safety of venlafaxine or bupropion, both of which seem to show some promise for the treatment of meth. addiction. SSRIs are the only class which seems to be OK across the board, and they've been used as well.
     
  8. ~lostgurl~

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    AFAIK Vitamin A is the only vitamin that can be considered unsafe at normal to high doses during pregnancy. Sauna's are out as they can induce fever temperatures in the baby. Not enough research has been done on melatonin and even though it is a natural hormone, taking it as a supplement is giving the body much more than it would create on its own so it is recommended to avoid during pregnancy. Steroids would be unsafe, 2C's should be avoided as research is not available to show the effects of 2Cs. If one is taking anti-depressants at the time of conception then speak to your Dr who will be able to risk assess the benefits and dangers for you personally, but starting anti-depressants after getting pregnant is not recommended as there is a small chance it could hurt the baby.
     
  9. Love4TheWeekend

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    Re: Renegades Chemical Cocktail Cure for methamphetamine addicts

    Just a word of caution. Combining an MAO B inhibitor like Deprenyl and taking Phenylethylamine might be risky for someone trying to kick amps. Shutting down MAO B and flooding the body with PEA has, in SWIMS experience, offered an experience and high not unlike amps. On top of that, the primary effects only last 20-40, and with repeated or frequent use lead to pretty nasty and uncomfortable comedown, a pretty good recipe for developing a habit. I think the potential for someone to trade one unhealthy habit for another is worth bringing up. SWIM would steer clear of that combo...
     
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    SwiHS used l-Methamphetamine, his body 'accepted' it as dextro / racemace one, the effect is much different but no pain physically. Addiction remained is psychologically, and he believes starting from this phase will be much easier for everyone.
     
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    will any of these suggestions cause a false or positive drug test for meth in swims system?
     
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    Still being a controversy about it, event to metcathinone either Pseudoephedrine that are absolutely not an amphetamine one, can't speak about it.
    For safety issue, check the law in swib's country, use legal one, if accidentally get a drug test, then swiB will have a strong reason. Surely a doctor prescription is the best choice.
     
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  13. usedagain

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    would''t most of these recommendations also apply to coke/crack withdrawals?
     
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    It should, they are stimulents. Crack is meth's little brother we say.
     
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    Swim did some of thous things about a year ago . and it helped him .

    Saunas
    Sunlight
    *Get up, out of bed and dressed every morning.
    *Do not sleep during the day
    *Cook healthy meals
    *Drink lots of water

    some basic things but they help alot .swim dont do any amphetamine anymore and can be in 1 room with others .
     
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    Rehab is for Quitters: Fighting addiction to illegal drugs with legal drugs.

    My cat, Whiskers, was a long time poly-drug user whose main problem was a 4 year daily meth habit. As it happens, whiskers decided that this was not a way to live and that a drastic change was needed. So decided to quit - the hardest thing to do ever, ever... This is how Whiskers succeeded.

    Step1.
    Whiskers moved to a place where she could no longer get meth - she was lucky that she had such a place to go, but hopefully what follows doesn’t depend on necessarily doing this.

    Now being both a doctor and a scientist, Whiskers was very sceptical about doctors and about "rehab" in general. Being a cynic and an atheist, Whiskers could not bear the thought of NA or twelve step, both for their statistically low success rates and their general moral and scientific dubiousness. Some other solution had to be found.

    Step 2.
    Whiskers went to many physiatrists to try getting help, and unsurprisingly, most of them had no idea what they were doing. Many harped on about 'psychological' addiction. Whiskers, having been a student of neuroscience, knew that psychology is just a product of the brain and it was Whiskers brain that needed treating.
    And how do you tweak neurons? Well at the moment the most direct way to do so is with things called drugs.

    Step 3.
    Whiskers finally found a ‘good’ psychiatrist, one that respected whiskers patient autonomy and was willing to experiment according to Whiskers’ needs.

    Step 4:
    The Whiskers’ miracle anti-meth addiction cocktail of legal drugs: This list was not discovered easily but through much pain and trial and error and many fights with reluctant doctors. This cocktail has sustained Whiskers (previously a long time daily user of meth) in totally abstaining for over 6 months now, with no desire to go back to using.
    So without further delay :
    "Whiskers Medicinal Magic Bullet(s) for meth" - legal drugs to negate the crystal.

    Recipe:
    First: antidepressant - fluoxetine 20mg BD aka Prozak.
    Second: awaking the mind - modifinal (Provigal) 200mg OD in the morning.
    Third: dopamine booster - methylphenidate (Ritalin) 30mg TDS*
    *Essential Note re ritalin:
    this cocktail won’t work if you do not take the ritalin as follows:
    i) You need to specifically get the Ritalin 30mg LA capsules.
    ii) You cannot take 3 of these a day in the usual fashion and still feel good – you will be agitated and get diarrhoea and no sleep.
    iii) Thus u must not take the tablets as directed i.e orally.
    You need to open each tablet before you take it. Pour out the little balls and crush them.
    Spread them out on a hard flat surface, then place a note of cash over the balls and hold it down, run a credit card over the note to crush the balls. Keep running the card until you the crackling stops.
    Collect the white powder.
    Divide into 4 lines and snort it.
    This is why u need Ritalin 30mg LA as the filler they use doesn’t mess with your nose too much.
    iv) Whiskers finds doing this 3 times a day is best.

    Fourth:
    Clonezapam 0.5mg TDS and 1mg at night.
    This ingredient is essential; otherwise the Ritalin will just make you feel crap. And 0.5 mg is a low dose and all you need – don’t become a benzo junkie. Oh and make sure it is clonazepam and not valium or xanax – trust me, clonazepam is what you need.
    In conclusion:
    This cocktail will quell your desire for meth and will allow you to maintain the best parts of meth on a socially acceptable basis. The hardest part of this all is getting a doctor to agree to this unconventional cocktail – tell them that you had a friend, Whiskers, who was in the same position as you and that this worked for him.

    I hope it works for you!
     
  17. ~lostgurl~

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    This may work if you are wanting to switch from an illegal addiction to a legal one, but it won't take you away from addiction, quite the opposite, clonazepam can be quite a long and painful withdrawal. In saying that, a cheap, legal, functional addiction would be preferred by many. From personal experience though I'd say if you are still living in addiction, even if controlled, it is only a matter of time before it becomes unmanageable again. Good luck to you, hopefully this is giving you the life you are after.

    For me, the only thing that healed my addiction was having something more to live for. This should really be as simple as wanting the best for you, but like most addicts, I didn't think I was worth that much. Finding out I was pregnant almost 3 years ago was all I needed and I haven't had a craving since. My little angel is the best thing that ever happened to me, because I might not be worth it, but she deserves every chance of happiness in life and I plan to give it to her as best I can, and I know that means no more meth EVER. In doing that I have also begun to love myself again and am slowly rebuilding a life that reflects that. Every day is a blessing, and the more I put into life, the more I get out of it. I wish everyone had something more to live for, something more important and more powerful than addiction, unfortunately, most addicts don't have that.

    Sending my thoughts and prayers out there to all of you still struggling xo
     
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    Re: Renegades Chemical Cocktail Cure for methamphetamine addicts


    QWell said, Don't leave your doctor, wether he is a shrink or your Family Doc, out of the loop. Wise advise, my friend. — Dr. J.
     
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    swim has been using meth for about 3 weeks, this is not swims first time he has became a consistent user, the last time was about a year ago. but recently he has been confused on wether or not his mind is seeing in reality or not, at the moment its either this drug is a really dark substance, my mind has been altered by some horrible people or it has either just started to affect me by strange hallucinations, lately i have been thinking their is whispering outside his window, distinct voices of my friends, but knowing them they could be sick enough to mess with someones head on purpose, there are many theories of whats going on but i just want to know why this is happening to him when he has not stayed up pass 3 days and usually eats at least 2 meals a day. another thing is his paranoia is kicking in also, mainly because he keeps thinking his friends are setting him up as a dealer when they just got him started recently within the last 3 weeks, from what i understand his buddy got arrested for a pipe and released the very same day, that is very odd to find in orange county, swim is scared to talk to anyone about this problem because they seem to sound like they already know whats going on, it feels as if his life is like the truman show.

    tantheory added 3 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...

    also swim has switched over his heroin addiction of 4 years to this 3 weeks of meth, he went through a full withdrawal in jail for 3 months and has been using heroin for about 5 after that. would this have something to do with his problem?

    tantheory added 85 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

    5 months*
     
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