Discussion in 'Tramadol' started by Alfa, Jun 6, 2006.
Please post your tramadol experiences here.
I assume it's Alpha who writes the "endorsements on most posts. I tend to agree with him and he seems very level-headed, couteous and works hard to keep decorum up.
The following is an exert from SWIFantasian's Journal.
Tramadol (AKA Ultram)
Clinical dosages - 25, 50, 100 mg
For moderate to Severe pain
Onset - 1 hour
peak - 6 hours
Comedown - 3 hours
Total duration - 10 hours
There has been slight arguements whether Tramadol is a true opiate however due to it acting on the opioid receptors my own interpretation is that it is.
It's effects are the same as all opiates, dizziness, lightheadness, nausea, respiritory depression and of course Euphoria.
In comparison to other opiates it's effects are longer lasting than ones such as codeine and morphine but not as long as methodone. There are suitable dosages comparisons if once again you UTFSE.
a brief word on tramadol from SWIM: "an enjoyable but slightly too stimulating high for opiates,long lasting and not very intense, in SWIM's oppinion not one of his favourites but has it's rightful place"
Briefly on dosages(accounts in the first person from SWIM):
Doses are oral unless specified otherwise
50mg - Surprised that at the lowest dosage it was prescribed to me having such an effect, i feel a tingling throughout my body and a general relaxed feeling.(it should be noted that at this point I have little or no tolerance to opiates)
100mg - The same as above however more pronounced the dizziness played a large factor here and made moving around a little more difficult. Only able to really watch television, goto the toilet and move small distances.
150mg - Euphoria and dizziness increased further however sedation usually associated with opiates not present. Much more difficult to move around, even getting to the toilet is difficult and leaving the bed is becoming harder. Urinary retention also present however still able to urinate. Noted that there was a physical withdrawal or hangover effect for 20 hours post use after the posative effects wore off.
200mg - Euphoria significant, bed ridden, require aid to reach the toilet however not much point as urinary retention and constapation is significant. Same effects as above but more intense.
250mg - no new effects than above, hangover slightly less pleasant causing several times of vomiting..
300mg - Still no new effects, conclusion that a ceiling effect is reached at 200mg no further experimentation above this dose will occur.
100mg Snorted - burning sensation throughout the nose, very small high less than that of a 50mg oral dosage. Not reccommended
Well put..LMAO at the ENDING POST. :) I know plenty also.
Good reports. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent information on dosages for someone with no tolerance inc details of what to expect.
helpful comparisons added-thanks
Very good experimentation!
I like swif compares different experiences at different doses...would be nice if she clarified whether tolerance was avoided between experiments.
For both this and your codeine post.
I have som experience with opiates, having taken a fair ammount of codiene and Heroin. It is worth noting that Swim often has breaks from opiates lasting a month or two. I was introduced to tramadol by a friend who dislocates limbs very easily. I had heard that they were related to opiates and so blagged a few from his friend. I took two (2x50mg)to start with and couldnt believe the effects. After an hour I took another. I found the effects to be very close to those of heroin only a little more stimulating. This was not a problem for me and has found that he can, after building up a little tollerence, take 150mg (3 caps)at once followed by two more 50mg doses at hourly intervals. I have not yet taken more than 5x50mg caps in a sitting. Swim says that he likes the effect that the drug has on the noragrenergic and serotonergic systems, although is aware of the dangers of messing with the brain with SSRI's. Swim says that you should treat all substances with respect and they will respect you. Abuse and be abused.
I am most impressed that You feels that 100mg or even 150mg of tramadol compare to that of heroin. Are the effects of tramadol really that intense for you? When You used 250mg did You find a ceiling effect was reached at 200mg?
I found that the effects of tramadol were closer to those of herion than of codiene...if that makes sense. I have heard other people also share this opinion and others do not...seems to be very individual. I have never taken more than 250mg but thinks that those effects were greater than those of 200mg. You needed support to get to the toilet and was bed ridden at 200mg. This is interesting. Does You have opiate tollerence or would he say that these effects are of a different kind altogether?
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Refer to SWIFantasian's first post in here is explains most of his experiences with Tramadol quite well. It is difficult to say whether he had opiate tolerance. I'd say he did at later stages, at these later stages there isnt much in his journal about it except that linked with addiction. SWIFantasian remembers later in his drug use that 200mg tramadol didnt even have any effect.
Here's SWIM's latest tramadol experience...
lab rat ingested 250 mg of tramadol over the course of an hour, spacing out 100 mg and 150 mg doses. a certain sense of opiate warmness began kicking in around an hour and a half from ingestion of the first 100 mg, along with an odd (but barely perceptible) sense of derealization akin to dxm. somatic effects are much more pronounced than with conventional opiates, the lab rat's body feels heavier than normal, but when typing, the rat reported that his arms felt like they were suspended by balloons. not many changes in cognition, but the lab rat found it easier than normal to come up with things to write, and conversation and reading came easily as well. there was a sense of knowing exactly what to say when engaged in conversation. however, on the negative side the lab rat reported nausea and a feeling of fullness lasting the duration of the experience, which was made worse by cigarettes. about three hours after the first ingestion, the rat also felt tired, but not so much that he had to fall asleep. a mild euphoria was present but nowhere near that of any opiate, even codeine.
overall the experience was somewhat fun, but the lab rat is uneager to go for 250 mg again due to the nausea.
I was given some tramadol pills by a friend who was in pain. In the quantity he took it (100 mg), tramadol gave a very mild opiod-type feeling-- calm and relaxed but no real euphoria. He wouldn't consider it 'recreational' as such.
SWIM's friend, who has a neck injury, complains that it's not effective in combating his neck pain and not at all comparable to the morphine he was given in hospital. SWIM gave him some kratom capsules, which he found more effective.
Tramadol is only classed as a pain killer for mild to moderate pain so I wouldn't expect too much.
ultram is complete junk its therapeutic benefits are exagerrated and its euphoric benefits nonexistent. If you think you're getting high on this you're a candidate for placebo heaven
thank you for your honesty and for not mincing words
So many tram addicts would suggest otherwise, BF
Please research the substance before making bold statements,
tolerance plays a great deal, don't assume everyones tolerance is as high as yours
while not very well written, my experience leads me to agree with this post
That is YOUR experience, don't be so arrogant as to discount the experience of others.
I would disagree. he knows many lab rats (none of whom are opioid-tolerant) who enjoy tramadol more than many drugs, and they all seem to be pretty euphoric after administration. swim in bygone days used a fair amount of tramadol, and can safely say that it is effective at both killing pain or obtaining a small buzz.
SWIM'S First Tramadol Experiences:
1. Ultram 100mg w/Norco 10/325
Wonderful. Seemed to have a potentiation effect. Effects of Norco felt stronger and longer. Only negatives involved a bit of a numbing sensation and mild hypomania.
2. Ultracet 100/mg with Apap and 5 mg Flexeril *while on psych med Lamictal, which appears to interact with Tramadol's anticholingergic effects.
During this dose, I was already in a considerable amount of pain before hand. I was also spaced out. These were not drug side-effects, but effects from her monthly cycle.
Not a good experience. While Ultracet did turn off every other pain point in her body, it did not address nerve pain. Spacyness was increased by a factor of 5. Muscle rigidity was an issue. Had a driven, uncomfortable feeling. Not recommended.
interesting, swim never found that tramadol potentiated other opiates much, but maybe thats just something specific to him. tramadol has anticholinergic effects too? I thought it was just opioid and 5-HT effects. the 5-HT would account for the rigid/stimulated feeling that You probably felt.
It commonly has the opposite effects of potentiation since it binds more readily than alot of substances hence it's use in withdrawal. However Im guessing from the experience above this might not always be the case.
In response to the statement by BUZZFACTOR i also have to strongly disagree, many people have gained posative recreational effects from this drug and even SWIFantasian himself has experienced its pleasures. True it cannot be compared to the euphoria of something like morphine but then it isnt suppose to be so intense.
SevenLakes: Yes, strange but true, it has anticholinergic effects 's doctor, *but* I need to clarify this to a finer point:
One generally hears Tramadol recommended due to *lack* of anticholinergic effects. What this really means is that the effects were mild in healthy control groups.
As with all meds, these things can change when one has drug interactions. I was/is taking several other meds, one of which increases anticholinergic effects when it interacts with Tramadol.
So, grain of salt I am not a doctor. Everyone's mileage will vary!
I have done Tramadol a couple handfuls of times.
Most of the time he takes 2 50mg pills. Usually is pretty subtle, but notices he is very chatty, somewhat euphoric, and completely rid of anxiety for about 5 hours or so. Usually after, I have overwhelming fatigue, which will DEFINATELY win the battle and make SWIM pass out. Everytime except for one time. WIth or without smoking pot, trying energy drinks, etc. Tramadol makes me pass RIGHT out like a light, unlike any other opiate (he make get some sedation with hydro's and whatnot, but nothing he can't overcome). Very nice high for SWIM, though.
Interesting, SWIM wonders why this drug has such a variety effects for different people. Seems much wider of an effect spectrum than other drugs..
I have very pronounced, intense and different effects from most drugs than others taking the same amount (most drugs he's taken, and he's taken a lot), though.
I have taken it first time and felt some sedation and relaxt feeling, slight optical change and a warm enthusiasm.
But the effects differ in swim, tending to become more sedative than anything else the longer the drug is apllied and not doing a very good job at killing swims pain, although there were times when I had stimulating effects because of Tramadols serotonergic action and I think it elevates noradrenaline, too?
I take the stuff because I have a bad back. It makes my neuropathy and arthritis a little less painful. If I take more than 1 in 4 hours (50 mg) I have puked. They don't get you high at all.
People should really try and avoid making such generalisations, they may not get YOU high but as the other posts in this thread show some people can. Not sure about the reliability of this information as its off a blog but
"Clinical trials seem to indicate that a lot of people can't "get off" on tramadol. However, there is a small percentage of people that can get something out of tramadol. Off the top of my head, it's about 7% of the subjects in the clinical trial."
So if you're one of the lucky ones enjoy it.
I love treadol I used to like vicodon but it takes four vicoden but only 2 tremadol.