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Addiction - Tramadol WITHDRAWAL

Discussion in 'Tramadol' started by livespd, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. livespd

    livespd Newbie

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    Someone really thought that he had Serotonin Syndrome when he abruptly stop using Tramadol after some tolerance, let's say like using about 500-600 mg/day. Man that was some withdrawal!! Scared the shit out of him, he was convinced he has the syndrome, went to the hospital where the paramedic said to him to chill out. That was a reactive reaction which appears in withdrawal at large tolerance.
    The evolution is benign, the symptoms (Spasms, Seizures, Dilated Pupils, inability to walk or move, deep bone pain, runny nose and tears and other shit ) are reducing every day. My w/d kept around 4 days. Oh, and the depression, due to the lack of serotonin production. Eat chocolate, drink a lot (A LOT) of water, APAP with pseudo-ephedrine (Para-Sinus) if you have, soups, everything to transpire. Withdrawal seems scary like hell the first time, but keep in mind this gets better everyday. Good luck!

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    It may be a good idea to stick this post, since Tramadol is some tricky shit to withdraw from.
     
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  2. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    How would someone get Seratonin Syndrome from stopping use?
    It is something that tends to result from combining drugs that increase seratonin levels, or to a lesser extend from a single drug.
    What lead you to believe you were suffering from it when stopping tramadol?
     
  3. StonedStupid

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    Tramadol withdrawal is honestly the worst withdrawal I have gone through. At one point in time I was taking doses upwards/above 1000mg. Which is severly idiotic and extremely dangerous, so to anybody reading this and thinking it'll be safe because I'm still here typing, it's not!!. This drug changed my personality after the long course of it's use. I don't know if that is due to serotonin syndrome that somehow went un-noticed[note: I don't know if that is possible], or if the constant intake of extremely high doses of an SNRI somehow permenantly altered my brain chemistry.

    Anyhow, after I came off of my 700-1000mg+ per day! Habit, I suffered possibly the worst withdrawals any person could imagine. I suffered from "brain shocks", feelings of electricity jolting throughout my body, constant body aches and pains of a severe degree, cold chills, cold sweats, inability to move due to the massive amount of pain, strange twitch movements, inability to sleep, constipation that resulted in 3+ weeks of not being able to pass a bowel movement[eventual shit induced by laxatives and stool softeners still resulted in nearly tearing my asshole open from the most painful shit anybody could imagine to endure, sorry for the disguistingly graphic description], as well as many other equally horrific symptoms. This lasted for WEEKS! After the most recent suffer of withdrawal I swore never to touch this horrible drug again.

    It can be used safely and be enjoyed. But please do not make this drug a habit, as you will quickly fall into dependence and the withdrawal is the worst one could ever imagine yo endure from an opiate.
     
  4. dlink01

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    As others have said, the w/d from Tramadol can be the most miserable few days if not weeks of your life.

    I was taking 1250mg per day for 2 years and decided I had had enough one day and just stopped. I told my family/friends about my addiction (they didnt know) and they all helped me get through the few MISERABLE days. I got zero sleep for a week, was not comfortable whatsoever for a week, had SEVERE restless syndrome at all hours, and the chills were the worst I had ever encountered.

    I frankly don't care how "high" I could ever get off Tramadol....the w/d week was enough to make me never want to see that pill again

    BE....CAREFUL
     
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    Just so you know ss, this picture will always be in my head.:eek:

    High doses are extremely hard to come off of, especially going cold turkey! I'm glad you were able to do that, as I'm not sure I could. My use has been as high as 2000 mg a day, but I have brought it down to 1000 mg in the past year. Been on this stuff for over 10 years for real pain issue's but it spiraled out of control as tolerance built up. I'm trying to get it down to 400mg's a day and stay for a while before reducing down further, and then jumping off. I am sick and tired of having to plan my day's around this shit, and spending $600+ a month on it!!
     
  6. Gryzor

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    A general rule of thumb with Tramadol is NEVER FUCKING COLD TURKEY as 9 chemicals in your head are going to be in turmoil.
    The 2nd general rule of pinky is to taper off it at least 1/4 the time you were on it. Venlafaxine is almost identical to tramadol and belongs in its drug family of which there are only 4, one of which is the new Tapentadol a drug derived from tramadol. Both tramadol & venlafaxine are used vice versa off label for getting clean off either.
    Careful mixing or better yet don't only if you've been a very high dosage user & have built a huge tolerance to them as we don't want any serotonin syndrome and if this is done it needs to be under a shrinks supervision.
    Venlafaxine is roughly 3-4x more potent than tramadol but there are no charts available to show relative strengths on noradrenalin or serotonin etc. Loperamide might come in handy as well.
     
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    For some reason I feel the tramadol that my green rat has access too is not the same one supplied in the U.S. The things I've been reading about it on this forum just make no connection to what my green rat feels at all. The Tramadol my greet rat gets is supplied from Iran. Maybe its polluted or fake, he might give that up. What do you guys think?
     
  8. Gryzor

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    The original brand Grunenthal is by far the strongest I've tried aka Tramal. I've probably tried ~8 different brands most being similar but one or two defo being weaker particularly with its opioid effect, those were Indian & possibly Thai. An Asian on here once told me he uses it off-label for depression as do I, prescribed, and 2/12 worked for him. It is a very cheap drug to manufacture however and its extremely rare to hear of bunk pills.
     
  9. weilman

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    A friend took 1600mg of tramadol yesterday afternoon, and night. Now they Cannot pee...they're really worried and don't know how long this disfunction will continuel!..will they be okay???
     
  10. Gryzor

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    Thats due to raised noradrenaline levels, the same affect can occur with anti-depressants that act heavily on noradreanline. About 6-9 hrs normally but 12hrs as thats a tremendous amount, let us know when he can piss again.
     
  11. Tabun

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    hi there guys,Swim has a little problem.swim uses about 150 mg tramadol -extended release one pill morning and about 2 mg sometimes 2,25-2,50 mg alprazolam later in the day.it gonna be several months now ,it s daily use btw
    could he try to stop cold turkey with both or tramadol first then alprazolam few days later?
    what s your opinions?
     
  12. Gryzor

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    If you want to experience hell on earth go ahead and stop both cold turkey, actually either cold turkey and its going to be a very rough few weeks re: tram, months re: xanax.
    Tramadol at 150 ER aint too bad a dose and time of use so I'd get rid of that one first, take at least 3 weeks to taper off it preferably 6 to come out unscathe. Venlaxfaxine can help a lot if youget a bad withdrawal 37.5mg sub-therapeutic dose as they are very similar drugs.
    Xanax/benzos are the worst drug ever to cold turkey and tapering isn't exactly easy either for almost all the population. I'd try get diazepam to taper off as xanax has a short half life, seizures unlikely to happen with your length of use and dose but its a very serious withdrawal.
    Average rule of thumb is 1/4 of the time your on a drug is the time necessary for recovery but with benzos who knows. I've come off both and don't have time right now to go indepth so feel free to ask.
     
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    He was able to piss again the next day some but it was very difficult and consitipated like.
     
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    SWIM came down with Serotonin Syndrome from taking Tramadol and had to start weaning off of it immediately. There is no way you could have gotten Serotonin Syndrome from coming off of Tramadol. Though SWIM thinks that the symptoms of both may be similar.

    The withdrawal is horrible. SWIM is still going through the withdrawal, and has been off of it for four months. SWIM thinks that the withdrawal may possibly be worse than heroin withdrawal, because Tramadol is also an SNRI as well as an opiate.

    When SWIM withdrew from Tramadol, he experienced brain/heart "shocks", alternating diarrhea and constipation, sweats, insomnia, restless legs, twitching, extreme muscle spasms, muscle pain, vomiting, cravings for the drug, nightmares about opiates, anxiety, irregular heart beat, mood swings, chills, sneezing, a seizure during the first week of withdrawal, etc.

    SWIM didn't even go off of Tramadol cold turkey. He came down from taking 100mg every 4-6hrs a day to 25mg every 7 hours, over the course of about 5 weeks or so.

    Be careful with this drug. There are a lot better things you can find to use for recreation. You have to treat the withdrawal like opiate withdrawal...but worse. SWIM thinks that Cannabis and Benzos can greatly help one get through the withdrawal of Tramadol.

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    It may not be real Tramadol. Are they capsules or tablets?
     
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    I am very worried right now. I am prone to severe withdrawals already, and my Dr. just put me on MAX Tramadol for chronic pain, but I do not want to take it if it has WDs as bad as you all describe! I am trying to get her to shift me onto Hydrocodone, but I seem to have a tendency to abuse them. I don't have that urge with Tramadol, but still don't want to take the chance of severe WDs. My body has been through way too much and I honestly doubt I could survive another detox like that. Right now she has me on 100mg 4x a day, but I am typically using 200mg 2x a day instead, because I sleep so much I am not awake to take more doses. I have 280 pills right now, so if I did get the urge to abuse them, it likely wouldn't be hard to do. I really prefer hydrocodone because it helps my pain a lot more and gives me more energy, where all other opioids make me too tired.
     
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    swim went though withdrawl on tramadol cuz swim had to go to jail. it took about 3 weeks to start sleeping ok.
     
  17. Gryzor

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    Cold turkey Tramadol is almost as bad as a benzo withdrawal which I personally consider the worst drug withdrawal but if you taper Tramadol it is actually quite easy or very do-able and certainly easier than almost all other opioids/opiates to get off. This is from personal experience and literature about the drug I've read talking.
    For some reason Tramadol dosage can be reduced quite dramatically without any symptoms occuring but the last 150mg or so can be very difficult even nearing the end of a taper.
    Venlafaxine & loperamide can help a lot with Tramadol withdrawal/tapering especiallyif rapid. Venlafaxine is possibly a semi-copy of Tramadol - they are related with only 2 others in the class.
    I guesstimate 200mg of tram = 75mg venlafaxine something my shrink went along with and it nullifies the SNRI wd from tramadol with loperamide slightly easing the opioid withdrawal.
    Bare in mind last time i checked tramadol hits 9 chemicals in your brain, no wonder its a rough as hell wd.
     
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    Personally, I feel as though Tramadol withdrawal was worse than benzo withdrawal. At least for me. I think you're wrong in saying that Tramadol is easier to get off of than other opiates. For me, it was harder to get off of than heroin. Also, it has anti-depressant properties, so when you withdraw from Tramadol, it's like going through withdrawal from an SNRI and an opiate at the same time. I came off of Tramadol very slowly, and still went through the worse withdrawal of my life for 6 months. I was on about 600mg-800mg a day for two years. I wouldn't throw any other drugs in the mix when withdrawing from it either. A lot of people end up taking other opiates/SNRIs to withdraw from Tramadol, but then end up getting addicted to those instead.

    A lot of the information I've read about Tramadol online, and from what I've heard from doctors, kind of downplays the withdrawal symptoms and effects wd can have on you. I think it's a lot worse than anyone makes it sound.
     
  19. Gryzor

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    Its easier to TAPER off only, countless people I've seen say its worse than heroin for example to cold turkey and I'd believe it. You were using a very high dose at up to 800mg so I'm not really that surprised you found it so bad but it also comes down to the individual as in what do they suffer from are they depressed etc. 800mg to me is like having a heavy opiate habit combined with taking venlafaxine (SNRI) at 300mg a day so its a batshit crazy wd/taper. Tramadol is considered a serotonin releasing agent and not SRI which makes it even worse again. 9 chemicals in your head it acts upon....
    It is in the literature and from personal experience (I used it 5-6 years got off it 3 times and still do use it - prescribed for treatment resistant depression @400mg/day but was self medicating at 500mg a day) you can go from say 10x50mg a day to 6 x 50mg a day and won't experience any physical withdrawal but at 600-800mg/day I'm thinking you probably would notice withdrawal effects within 18 hours with such a habit. As when I did take doses in those ranges either mistakenly or rarely purposely about 12-16 hours later I'd start getting opioid withdrawal effects


    I would still say an equivalent benzo addiction and going cold turkey on it would wreak far more havoc for the majority - imagine cold turkeying a 2 year 6-8 mg xanax habit - not that you can really compare tramadol to a benzo for dose equivalence. You'd be in seizureville and I'd say could go at least 5 days without 1 hour of sleep. I have anyway on lower doses of longer acting benzos. Its not pretty trying to sleep coming off Tramadol either.
     
  20. cockney

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    No one should cold turkey off tramadol it really is one hell of a rattle. As some said above its relatively easy to come down to around 150mg which leads people into false sense of security. If you get to 150mg with no wd don't push for 100mg to fast, you need to stabilize at that dose for around a week IME, this allows for your body to expel any built up chemicals / metabolites before your main push.
    I would now reduce by no more than 25mg every three to four days, this may mean splitting you tablets or capsules. If 25mg is too much them split your (presumably) 50mg tablet or capsules into three. The trick I have found here, and I have withdrawn many times is to vary the times you take your dose, not only has your body got used to being fed its most likely been fed at around the same time. I have said this before and can offer no scientific or medical proof this helps but from personal experience it really does.
    The wall people hit at around 150mg reappears at 50mg for me and I believe this is common. Again stabalize at this dose and divide your doses, this is easier with capsules and I remove roughly 1/5 of the powder so the dose is 40mg, next remove 2/5's etc. I have tried to jump off at this point and its had to imagine but still went into with drawl..
    The key points here are to take it slow, stay focused on why your stopping and most important stabalize for a few days at any point your feeling sick before carrying on. Stick to this and you will come off pretty painlessly, go cold and you will regret it and probably spook yourself into never trying again it really can be that bad.