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Other - Trichocereus?

Discussion in 'Peyote & San Pedro' started by bobbob1, Oct 24, 2010.

  1. bobbob1

    bobbob1 Newbie

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    HI, my first post on this forum by the way this forum is the best by far:). So the question is, what other Trichocereus cacti contains mescaline or other alkaloids?. Thanks
     
  2. phenythylamine

    phenythylamine Silver Member

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    here is the alkaloid contents of some of the trichocereus cacti.

    Trichocereus bridgesii

    Mescaline 50/100g fresh >50%

    3-Methoxytyramine <1%

    3,4-Dimethoxyphenylethylamine <1%

    Tyramine <1%

    Bridgesigenin A

    Bridgesigenin B

    Kaempferol Maoi

    Quercetin Maoi



    Trichocereus camarguensis

    tyramine >50%

    3,4-dimethoxyphenylethylamine <1%

    3-methoxytyramine traces

    N-methyltyramine traces


    Trichocereus candicans

    hordenine >50mg/100g >50%


    Trichocereus chilensis
    NONE


    Trichocereus courantii

    N-methyltyramine 10-50mg/100g >50%

    N-methyl-3-methoxytyramine 10-50%

    tyramine <1%

    3-methoxytyramine <1%

    3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine <1%


    Trichocereus cuzcoensis

    3-methoxytyramine >50mg/100g >50%

    tyramine <1%

    mescaline <1%

    3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine trace


    Trichocereus fulvilanus

    tyramine >50mg/100g 10-50%

    N-methyltyramine 10-50%

    mescaline trace


    Thrichocereus huascha

    hordenine 10-50mg/100g 100%


    Trichocereus knuthianus

    tyramine 10-50mg/100g 10-50%

    3-methoxytyramine 10-50%


    Trichocereus lamprochlorus

    hordenine 10-50mg/100g >50%


    Trichocereus macrogonus

    mescaline 10-50mg/100g >50%

    3,4-dimethoxyphenylethylamine <1%

    3-methoxytyramine <1%

    tyramine <1%


    Trichocereus manguinii

    tyramine 10-50mg/100g 10-50%

    N-methyltyramine 10-50%

    hordenine 10-50%

    3-methoxytyramine <1%


    Trichocereus pachanoi

    mescaline >50mg/100g >50%

    3,4-dimethoxyphenylethylamine <1%

    hordenine traces

    tyramine traces

    3-methoxytyramine <1%

    3,5-dimethoxy-4-hydroxyphenylethylamine traces

    3,4-dimethoxy-5-hydroxyphenylethylamine traces

    anhalonidine traces

    mescaline 0.331%/255gm dried

    mescaline .357%/base


    Trichocereus pasacana

    hordenine 1-10mg/100g >50%


    Trichocereus peruvianus

    tyramine 1-10mg/100g >50%

    3-methoxytyramine traces

    two unknown alkaloids <1%

    mescaline .817%/dry

    tyramine .0085%/dry

    3-methoxytyramine .01%/dry

    3,5-dimethoxy-4-hydroxyphenylethylamine .0035%/dry


    Trichocereus purpureopilosus

    tyramine 10-50mg/100g 10-50%

    N-methyltyramine 10-50%


    Trichocereus poco

    hordenine 1-10mg/100g >50%



    Trichocereus santiaguensis

    hordenine 1-10mg/100g 10-50%

    tyramine 10-50%


    Trichocereus schickendantzii

    hordenine 1-10mg/100g >50%

    N-methyltyramine traces


    Trichocereus skottsbergii

    hordenine 10-50mg/100g >50%

    N-methyltyramine <1%


    Trichocereus spachianus

    hordenine 1-10mg/100g >50%


    Trichocereus strigosus

    hordenine 10-50mg/100g 100%


    Trichocereus taquimbalensis

    mescaline 10-50mg/100g >50%

    hordenine <1%

    3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine trace

    3-methoxytyramine trace

    Trichocereus terscheckii

    mescaline 10-50mg/100g >50%


    Trichocereus thelegonoides

    hordenine 10-50mg/100g 100%


    Trichocereus thelegonus

    hordenine 10-50mg/100g >50%

    N-methyltyramine trace

    Trichocereus tunariensis

    tyramine 10-50mg/100g 10-50%

    hordenine 10-50%


    Trichocereus validus

    mescaline >50mg/100g >50%



    Trichocereus werdermannianus

    mescaline 10-50mg/100g >50%

    3,4-dimethoxyphenylethylamine <1%

    tyramine traces

    3-methoxytyramine <1%

    3,5-dimethoxy-4-hydroxyphenylethylamine traces

    Hope that helps you
     
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  3. thundercles

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    the cactus you are referring to is one of the three cacti that contain mescaline. That is the scientific (genus) name, pretty much anyone who isn't a botanist will call it "San Pedro". That is by far the best source of the three as it is much more abundant then the other two* and believe it or not also has the highest potential amount of mescaline stored in any given cactus out of the three. A peyote button will make one person trip balls, maybe two people if it is really potent and split in half. For comparison, the san pedro in swim's very own front yard, he estimates from past experience of cactus harvesting, to have about enough mescaline to extract doses for up to 5 people if harvested at the right time of year.

    But FswiYI, the other two are, as mentioned, peyote and peruvian torch which is a relative to the san pedro from the same region (San Pedro and Peruvian Torch are both native succulents in the Sechura Desert region which lies between the northernmost end of the Andes mountains and the Pacific coast). Peyote exists natively in southern Texas, but injins swim knows here in AZ have informed him that the tribes here have introduced it to the Sonoran desert where it now grows wild in parts. Swim also wouldn't be the least bit surprised if tribes in California have also done that in the Mojave desert since plants that grow in any one of those deserts can generally thrive very well in the other two. But read the addition below to see why swim's opinion is to leave combing the desert for peyote buttons to the indian trackers as the urban landscape ESPECIALLY in those desert regions is more suitable for the white man to go cactus gathering and thanks to the popularity of peruvian cacti in desert landscaping, it isn't the least bit hard. Swim can really only speak for the southwestern desert cities as far as personal experience san pedro/peruvian torch hunting, and in the case of those cities (Phoenix, LA, Vegas) San Pedro cactii can be found in the popular water-saving desert landscape yards of those urban areas in shockingly great abundance. Here in Phoenix, if swim is driving through a neighborhood which has houses with desertscapes, he'd pretty confidently be willing to bet any passenger he can find at least 3 different yards with san pedro cacti growing in them. So ya multiply 3 or more by all the middle class neighborhoods in the given city and one can see why they should leave peyote button picking to the Indians. As for the Peruvian torches, swim sees them in about a quarter to a third the abundance of san pedros but doesn't touch them. They don't generally shoot out multiple stocks like san pedro so it would be very difficult to harvest peruvian torch from someone's yard discretely without obviously mutilating their plants. They also would be a lot harder to harvest with those huge ass spines (san pedro's spines are so small swim can easily pick san pedro with his bare hands.)

    Swim doesn't really like the idea of lurping people's yards for the cactus though, so swim's policy is to harvest in a way in which it is the least noticeable out of respect to the homeowners. Unfortunately that usually means going for the more mature cacti which don't produce as much mescaline as the young ones (it is related to growth hormones so juvenile cacti produce more since need to grow faster.) Because of that swim will usaully plan on needing more length of cactus then what is normally mentioned (usaully they say about a foot of san pedro will yield mescaline for one person's dose. Since swim tries to respect the yards he's lurping and goes for the bigger ones he usaully does 2 feet if its from a tall stalk or a foot and a half if it is from a short/new branch of an adult cactus. And early summer is about the peak time of year for mescaline production of San Pedros here in the Phoenix metro area). If swiy doesn't give two shits about people's yards then swiy should go after the shortest single stalk and brightest green san pedros they can find. Those are babies and they are really pumping out that mescaline to signal growth and San Pedros can achieve one of the fastest growth rates of all cacti species in the world so you know that the fastest growing/young san pedros are gushing with mescaline. One can also order san pedro cuttings which, conveniently, are usaully 12" cuttings. Swim finds that these places charge an arm and a leg. If one lives in the before mentioned desert cities, they should look up cactus nurseries. Those and other nurseries which specifically cater to landscapers doing gravel/rock desert yards are the only ones that swim has seen carry san pedros, but pretty much any nursery geared for that clientele will have it since it is a very popular cactus for that landscaping because of its extremely fast growth rate at a young age balanced by the fact that they generally don't grow taller then 6 feet maybe 7 max since at that point the stalks become too heavy to support their own weight. Basically it is the perfect columnar cactus for people's yards since they can buy a small plant from a nursery which will be cheap, but when it is fully grown it will start to fall apart before it ever starts growing too large and out of control. A local cactus nursery to here snapped the top two feet of a three foot tall (very young, most potent san pedro swim has ever come across) and sold it to swim for like 15 bucks.


    Hope that helps, swim thinks it's pretty cool that mescaline is both one of the coolest hallucinogens to be on and is actually harvestable simply by going on gathering expeditions around the city. Swim has talked to people in cities in the pacific northwest that have found san pedros in yards up there too. Don't know about other cities in the US, they probably don't deal with snow very well, but they are also tough little bastards so ya never know.
    *in fact swim lives smack dab in the the middle of the Sonoran Desert which does have wild peyote cactus since the Navajo indians have introduced it to this region from the neighboring Chiuahuan desert. Thanks to the Navajo tribe, harvesting locations for peyote are within a couple hours drive north of here and swim still has never gone out trekking around the desert looking for 'em. Why would he when there are about 5 houses in his neighborhood alone which have san pedros growing right in their front yards, including his own house :-O
     
  4. bobbob1

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    Thanks for the excellent replies
     
  5. MrCactus

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    There are four (4) Trichocereus Cacti containing relatively much Mescaline.
    Tr. pachanoi, Tr. peruvianus, Tr. bridgesii, and ......................................
    Who knows nr 4 ?