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Opinions - Tylenol # 4 vs hydro, lortab, vics, etc

Discussion in 'Opiates & Opioids' started by PillJunkieXL, Oct 23, 2007.

  1. PillJunkieXL

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    How would you compare Tylenol # 4 to hydrocodone or lortabs/vicodin?
     
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    Tylenol #4 has 40 mg of codeine that is for sure, so depending on what strength of pill your comparing it to , I am not sure what the comparison rate to hydrocodone would be , maybe wrong here but 40mg codeine may be close to 5mg hydro. but please dont burn me if I'm wrong. thank you
     
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    Its codeine with acetiminophin (spelling?) i have a SWIM has a high tolerance to hydros, lortabs, etc... So can SWIM take them orally without CWE and have the same effects as the tabs and hydros? I usually take 2-3 lortabs at a time. then maybe 2 or 3 hours later, take a few more.
     
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    lortab 10's BTW
     
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    like I said this isnt solid info, but two of the tylenol to one lortab?
     
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    trptamene Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Just want to correct some info:

    Tylenol #4=
    No. 4 Codeine Phosphate... 60 mg
    Acetaminophen ... 300 mg
     
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    how many mg's are in lortab 10's?
     
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    codeine mg's ^^^^^^
     
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    I was thinking because T-#3 has 30 mg of codeine, just for some reason I thought T-#4 would be 40 mg. I stand corrected.
     
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    There is no codeine in lortab 10's...this is a completely different chemical.

    There may be some converstion that says x number of mg of codiene has an experience similar to x number of mg of hydrocodone....but as I said....these are two completely different (although related) compounds. This is comparing apples to oranges.

    Asking how many mg's of codine are in lortab 10's is the same thing as asking how many apple seeds are inside an orange.
     
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    oh ok. well the codeine buzz was almost identical as a lortab buzz. just didnt last as long, and was slightly different. hard to describe. im starting to feel nascious now. i guess this was swims first codeine experience. but swim also just ate 6 peices of pizza.. dunno. swims gonna go lay down and watch house. bbl for more info
     
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    House...now there is a fuckin junkie. I don't blame him though, easy access, a legitamitate use. c'est la l'vie.

    what is it "c'est la vie"? That's life?
    What would be "That's the life"? "c'est la l'vie"?

    Yes....the buzz will be similar to lortab, as these are two closely related compounds....but swim thinks you are giving codeine too much credit. Lortab is to cognac as codeine is to whiskey, IMHHO
     
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    lortab = cognac thats a little more credit than hydrocodone deserves
    hydromorphine now that is cognac

    tabs are somewhere like single malt whisky at best
    codeine = beer
     
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    ya...I really do not drink, but couldn't think of something better than whiskey and worse than the "premier cognac".

    But you are indeed correct, there are definately much stronger/better opiates than hydrocodone
     
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    tylenol 4 are stronger/better than hydros?
     
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    lortab 10s have 10mg hydrocodone and 500 apap
     
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    I'm not sure which one's stronger. 60mg codeine seems like it should be stronger than 10mg hydrocodone, but I kinda doubt it.
     
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    The ratio is approx 5:1 (30 mg is equianalgesic to 5 mg hydrocodone)

    However, since they are different drugs, the reaction will be different.

    The kid around the corner says that the itch is more pronounced on codeine and that the analgesia is better on hydrocodone.
     
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    Can you source this? It would be really nice if there was a complete conversion table out there somewhere. Or if you could point me to where this info comes from, one could easily be made.
     
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    Here is one of many charts. To learn more, simply type "equianalgesic" into google and poke around a bit. Some charts are better than others for reading.

    I actually couldn't find the chart I wanted. Grrrrr. Oh well. I think you or swiy gets the idea.