Combinations - Underestimated Kratom-Cannabis Synergy

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by Mr.Time, Dec 3, 2006.

  1. Mr.Time

    Mr.Time Silver Member

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    Hi all. I have an insane, unexpected, and potentially unsafe experience he'd like to share (this is also his first experience report):

    I am a 145 lb, 19yo male
    Drugs used: gelcapped premium commercial kratom (1 gram each), cannabis, caffiene

    T+0:00 Coming down from cannabis, has a cup of strong coffee.
    T+0:30 Takes 3 gelcaps and hangs out in his room listening to some music, feels relaxed, slightly kratomized, with a cannabis afterglow.
    T+0:45 Gets ready to go out to smoke cannabis, waits in room for friend to meet him, notices alternating stimulation/sedation, takes 5 more gelcaps, cannabis sensation mostly gone.
    T+1:10 Smokes a large amount of cannabis with a few people outside of his residence.
    T+1:25 Goes back to a friend's room to play video games, music, etc...SWIM notices that the high is entirely different from either kratom or cannabis alone, as many have stated. Kratom has eliminated the mental cloudiness of weed, which his friend has also noticed.
    T+1:30 I am really fucked up, can't feel a single thing,
    T+1:33 I am standing feels woozy/nauseaous, and states he will return to his room to try to sleep off this sudden feeling. But then his vision begins to close and dim.
    (5-7 seconds later?) Next thing he knows he is laying face up on the floor with his friends standing around him. At first he feels as if he's just waking from a peaceful nap on the floor and is confused by his friends' shocked/confused expressions. I am told what happened and apparantly clipped his chin on a chair on the way down. Also, his eyes never closed.
    T+1:35 His friends have him lay down on a bed and get him some water. I felt that the blackout rejuvinated him, and though he has never done heroin, imagines that this must be what it feels like.
    T+2:00 I am escorted back to his room, and since the blackout, has been steadily coming down. Converses with some friends online
    T+2:15 I feel up to having some girls hang out in his room for a little.
    T+2:30 I think it a good idea to fall asleep to some cartoons before he can feel his chin/neck again.

    After reflecting on the experience, I feel that the blackout was caused by peaking too high. I didn't feel the least bit sick afterwards and only felt strange the few seconds before the incident. In fact, the incident didn't even detract from the experience much He is glad he had friends around though. SWIM loves this combination, but feels he can probably lower his kratom dosage to 50-75% his normal dose when combining with a large dose of cannabis. 8 grams of PC is by no means a large dose for him on its own. I have gained much respect for this combination through his experience, and now knows what losing consciousness feels like, so he can better prepare himself if it ever happens again.

    Has You had any similar experiences, and what does You think of SWIM's experience?
     
    1. 5/5,
      Good first trip report
      Dec 20, 2006
  2. Alicia

    Alicia Gold Member

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    Swia seems to love this combo, they seem to mix really well even more so on larger doses of kratom. but it can get kinda near to much depends on what your used to. swia feels more like she is likely to be sick sometimes due to the amount of kratom and perhaps the dry mouth effects of the weed very warm in the head thou leaving the seat impossible, listening to music specially deep music can be strongly nice and flows with the closed eye visuals.
     
  3. Nicaine

    Nicaine Titanium Member

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    THC can interact with CNS depressants & potentiate their effects. Reference:

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR202210

     
  4. Mr.Time

    Mr.Time Silver Member

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    Thanks for the replys, and the reference. SWIM always figured that THC would have an effect on depressants, but hasn't come across a source for this. Another alternative swim might take is raising the kratom dosage, and lowering the cannabis dose to just enough to overcome any nausea. He still loves the combo, but is curious where different proportions will take him.
     
  5. Alicia

    Alicia Gold Member

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    Maybe..Maybe not. Everyone will react in there own
    ways to a given substance. although that dont mean it wont effect in other ways. Like mental well being, addiction etc
     
  6. Bajeda

    Bajeda Super Moderator Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Kratom seems to increase nausea at higher doses, so using less Kratom with more cannabis might help with that. In any case, be careful raising Kratom doses to more than what You is currently comfortable with as side effects do increase.

    Please let us know more as You experiments with this combination. More specific details as to the amount of each substance used would be helpful.