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Extraction - Using Rye bread to obtain LSA and Ergot alkaloids? Will this TEK work?

Discussion in 'LSA seeds' started by ChronicPsychonaut, Nov 22, 2009.

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  1. ChronicPsychonaut

    ChronicPsychonaut Silver Member

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    Hey all!

    SWIM had a dream in which his pet lizard visited the great shaman on the hills of switzerland. In this dream the great shaman told the pet lizard a TEK for extracting LSA and ergot alkaloids from rye bread. Now before SWIY calls SWIM crazy or just plain dumb, SWIM thinks this could just quite work.

    The procedure calls for misting everclear alchohol, or methanol would work better since its 100% ethanol but intentionally poisioned. As long as the methanol evaporates out of the final product SWIY good. So anyways, SWIY mist ethanol on a piece of rye bread, or however many SWIY wants to increase potency. Let it sit in a closed sanitized container for 2 days. Ball up moldy bread, or break it apart but wear goggles, gloves, and a facemask because mold is nasty. In another sanitized jar, put in SWIY moldy bread, and pour cold dh20 twice the amount of bread in there, and leave for another 2 days. Blacklight test should show your liquid glowing greenish blue. Separate or vacuum filter dh20 and SWIY should be left with a liquid that is potent with 1 drop.

    SWIM is going to try this out and see if it works up until the blacklight check, and if after SWIY can confirm there is nothing wrong with it or poisonous then SWIM will ingest in small amounts and report how it goes.
     
  2. Seaquake

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    the rye used to make the bread would have had to have been infected by ergot prior to making the bread. if it's not got ergot in it it's not going to do anything.
     
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    So what SWIY is saying that it is possible only if the farm they were grown on had been infected with ergot.
     
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    not just the farm, the particular grains that are used to make the bread. if the entire farm was infected, they would know it, none of the rye would be used for making human foodstuffs. given modern farming methods the likelihood of rye produced non-organically being infected is minute. swim would think even on an organic farm the likelihood is reasonably small seeing as non-organic farms will have reduced the amount of ergot that is around.
     
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    Thank SWIY for the information, but as a contribution of information, there are more fungi/molds that contain lsa, and ergot alkaloids, besides ergot. SWIM really thinks ergot is way overly emphasized for sources of LSA, and that other mediums can be used in place of ergot, such as other certain molds, and H.B. Woodrose, along with MG seeds.
     
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    Erogot is poisonous. Ergotism results in gangrene and limb loss. Under no circumstances should ergot, or any other form of rotting rye, be consumed, or even toyed witgh as a source of drugs.

    Maybe, if the person has an advanced degree in chemistry, and a full sized lab, they could consider such a path, but I'm rather sure you don't have anywhere near the requirements to do such.

    There are no other moulds that can be used, either striahgt, or after processing.

    Please give up on this idea, it's only going to lead to the hospital.
     
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    SWIM does not see how this cannot work?

    There are several molds that produce Ergot alkaloids. SWIM thinks all of SWIU should do much more research on this topic because SWIM believes it could be very useful if fully researched, tried, and tested, and if it fully works in the end. SWIM is going to go ahead and give this a go, only up to the point of blacklight testing. SWIM is not even going to drink the water mix to try. And plus its not like SWIM is eating the moldy bread... yuck... so please do not bring that up.

    And SWIM is only doing this for research purposes, and to have fun. Damn SWIM has nothing better to do so he might as well have dreams like this to keep him from being bored.


    How could this possibly not work? The ethanol will extract most of the good ergot alkaloids, and none of the poisonous ones. Ever heard of kykeon? Procedures probably called for the correct ergot fungi. Yet they used a similar method. Water soaks and most of the polar alkaloids dissolve in the water, or extract. The nonpolar stays in the ergot.


    Edit- Please, SWIM is trying to have a peace of mind and keep this civil but please do not add tags like "bad ideas" to this. SWIM is trying just as much to contribute to this forum along with others. So what the hell if this doesnt work? At least SWIM gets to try something new out, and if it does prove all naysayers wrong. If it doesnt then damn SWIM is going to be in alot of pain.
     
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    this is clearly going nowhere apart from getting sick in one way or another.

    Ergot, (a fungus which grows on rye, the rye bread intoxications were caused by bread made from ergot contaminated flour, not mould) can be very toxic, cause very unpleasant side-effects / medical conditions such as gangrene and "st anthony's fire" ---ergotism... this is not something to be taken lightly.

    which does not mean interesting things and medical application cannot be extracted from them, as this is what the Sandoz labs were working on and lead to the discovery of LSD 25, but really no one is going anywhere with mouldy bread and ethanol.

    working ergot fungus and ergot alkaloid implies a proper lab setting and training for extraction processing.

    this is going nowhere

    closed
     
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