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Drug info - Vicozen

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by ianzombie, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Vicozen

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    I have been unable to find any details of the ingredients other than the claim that it contains '100% Natural Herbs'
    He has read reports that it is (or contains) Kratom. It is produced by a Canadian company and I am unsure if it is for sale anywhere other than online.

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    Please post reviews of Vicozen here.
     
  2. Balzafire

    Balzafire Palladium Member

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    Shit!
    Swim fears this is the beginning of the end for kratom in the US. Thankfully it is expensive enough to maybe keep most teens from purchasing it, but it won't be long until kids are talking about it.
    I do think it's cool that it could be taken to work in a lunchbox though and most employers would even appreciate that one is using energy drinks to help make them more productive towards the end of their shift.
     
  3. JackARoe

    JackARoe Titanium Member

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    Balzafire, kids don't like kratom anyway. ;) It would have been popular already. I have a cousin in BC Canada, but works in Seattle, that mailed Swim 2 bottles. He likes occasional kratom and thought he'd try it. Blah! The drink gets 2 thumbs down. Expensive, almost nauseating but no effect one may look for. Swim will pass from here on out. Coffee would have been better.

    Stick with your normal kratom vendor for kratom. The ineffectiveness along with the cost will make this product fizzle out quick. Luckly I didn't spend money on it. Personally Swim thinks it's a dumb idea that makes responsible people feel stupid drinking something called Vicozen. Most My are smarter than that.

    Again, support your own reliable kratom and herb vendor. There are many good vendors.
     
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    ^^^ Thanks.
    Excellent news that reviews are bad. I agree totally with swiys point about supporting their proven, tried and true vendor. Swim thinks the world of his...
    Maybe You should visit some of the websites selling this stuff and write honest reviews?
     
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  5. semaj

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    I has tried it, as well as most of his friends. The taste is terrible and noone even noticed any effects. if your needing effective pain relief, go see your doctor or take an aleve. I has heard there was supposed to be kratom in it(which isnt intended for human consumption), but I am sure there is plenty other chemicals in it too, your not going to get the advertised effects from kratom alone.
     
  6. mogle42

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    i believe the vendors that say not intended for human consumption ... then normally follows is sold for research purposes or incense etc to avoid liability incase of some legal problems. like ornamental poppies are for ornamental decorative purposes bc other uses are illegal in most parts.

    after reading this and seeing the product i was hoping it would be like the "coca" liquer or the "absinthe" liquor but this has potential to be much worse especially if it does have kratom or if people keep spreading there is rightly or wrongly. i see this being parked on gas station counters all over like enzyte and those small power drink shots.
    if there is kratom in it and maybe if kratom just gets to much attention start saying goodbye now. then again maybe with enough prayer it will crash and burn like the first high times legal weed.
     
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    Thank god its expensive and shitty. This is the exact thing that will get kratom banned.
     
  8. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    How exactly?
    Its being sold alongside kratom leaf and presumably powders and extracts, what makes You believe this product more than any other would lead to Kratom becoming illegal wherever they are.
     
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    Because this is the type of "herbal shot" that would show up in a gas stations. Just look at the name Vicozen, does You think it sounds like something else? Kratom is sold as a insence NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. Now it is being mass marketed as a legal pain killer for the exact opposite. SWIM enjoys taking kratom and would be pretty pissed off if it is banned because some retarded neglegent kid decides to do stupid shit and blames it on the stupid fucking shot.
     
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    Kratom is sold in headshops as 'not for human consumption' to get around strict medicine laws, the government and drug advisor's all know how its used and that no one actually uses it as an incense, hence the reason its on most if not all country's drugs of concern lists.
    Selling it as a shot is not any different from selling it as a strong extract, or an enhanced powder or plain leaf. Its a different way to take it is all and it wont really make any difference to its legality any more than any other form.

    Out of all the different types of Kratom available its products like Ultra Enhanced Indo and other strong alkaloid enhanced powders and extracts that are likely to cause most problems, especially as they raise a persons tolerance very quickly which increases the risk of addiction. Swim presumes that You is also against extracts and enhanced products?
     
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    I am not necessarily against extracts. Swim himself has never used due to the horror stories he has heard about super quick tolerance rape. But he never goes around preaching to others not to use them. I know the government is not oblivious to the reality that kratom is used in. In swims honest opinion he thinks kratom has not caught on because a)many people are unaware b)not as potent as other options available c) shits fucking nasty to tnw. My not bashing people that use this product but moreso the companies apparent disregard to the long term future of the herb. Swim dunnos, maybe its just him that feels kratom should have more respect than this.
     
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    It would be terrible for the legal status of kratom if people began going hardcore commercial with it like they have done with RC's and Salvia. But the potential profit margins of selling kratom like this are extremely small compared to the whole "legal marijuana" thing with synthetic cannabinoids. Kratom, while cheaper than buying opiates off the street, is not all that cheap, as opposed to the synthetic cannabinoids, which are practically free compared to street marijuana. Anyone can buy some of the cannabinoid powder on the net, spray on some herbs, call it legal marijuana and turn around to sell it for profits in 1000's of percent. If one were to do the same with kratom the profit would be hard to get above 10-20%. Not feasible.

    It surprises SWIM that the legal highs business has not been made into a bigger media scare. CNN/Fox News/etc could spark some major fear in the population if they ran a case on young, innocent teenage boys buying dangerous "heroin-like" drugs at the neighborhood hippy store.
     
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    Given that:
    a) The media and the likes are too busy on research chemicals as well as the DEA
    b) Kratom tastes like ass (at least until monkey's develop a tolerance to the taste much akin to alcohol)
    c) requires a good amount to get any effect unless a enhanced extract is used, especially for those chasing a high rather than pain relief
    d) enhanced extracts are expensive ( let alone commercial plant) therefore a market for a product released as a gas station would probably not be cheap AT ALL so in order for the company to make a profit they'd have to charge quite a bit, making it less desirable.
    e) Alternatives that are just as easy to obtain for most are easier to consume and cheaper on a high per dose basis are going to make Kratom less desirable for most.
    f) tolerance rises rather fast unless breaks are taken and their seems to be a ceiling effect at which point monkey's have to take so much to get high that their body just ends up throwing it up since Kratom seems to produce nausea/vomiting when taken in too high of a dose.

    The biggest worry for my monkey is that this product makes it into another product mixed with something and then is attributed to the death of someone giving the media a great opportunity to claim that a "heroin-like" drug is sweeping the streets as a legal incest that has caused the death of a innocent child.

    Can't predict the future but for right now it looks like Kratom is under the radar (to the media, which is probably the single most important factor in getting substances banned because the DEA will feel like they have to act on it for the interest of "public safety") still even with this poor product being made.
     
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    Vicozen: expensive, tastes horrible, contains way too many different extracts from a variety of different ethnobotanicals, and does absolutely NOTHING for the average kratom user. This stuff was sold at a headshop near where I live, so he got a bottle one day when he had no kratom available.
    The ingredients were similar to another "herbal shot" he bought the same day. It included: skullcap, lemon balm, passion flower, mugwort (?), hops, damiana, wild dagga, and klip dagga. This is all he recalls, but there were probably others. If he sees it again at that shop he will check again and post them later.

    In terms of media attention - I had the same fears, but after he tried it those fears quickly subsided once he realized it was a waste of money. Then again he only drank two shots. Perhaps an inexperienced kratom user might feel something? Or one would have to drink MANY of these disgusting drinks to feel effects.
     
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    Around where AFOAF lives they sell Kratom extract shots which are effective in quantities of 3-4 at a local head shop for [price discussion is against the rules]. AFOAF has had experience with these but still enjoys Maeng Da Kratom simply because of it's affordability and potency for the price.
     
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    Canadian Vicozen?

    I work in a Canadian head shop. We carry Vicozen along with MaengDa tea and different extracts in herb and capsule form. We have a supply of various other legal herbal highs. Most of them (incuding Vicozen) come from a company called Experience Alternatives.

    Vicozen was Swim's first Kratom try, so she found the 2oz to be more than sufficient to gain an effect.

    Maybe Canadian Vicozen has different ingredients... Along with natural flavours and cane sugar Vicozen contains a "Proprietary Anti-Pain Blend-TM" which lists the ingredients as follows:

    "Extracted and purified Passion flower, Lemon balm, Chamomille, Valerian, California Poppy, Kratom, Gotu Cola, Ashwagandha"

    I can see this product being used instead of a beer at the end of a long day (less calories, organic...)

    I have spoken to many Kratom aficionados around town and generally, they do not like Vicozen because it does not produce as powerful an effect as their favourite herbal blends, probably due to their tolerance level.

    Non-Kratom users are on both sides. Some like it, some do not. Though, because it is the least expensive legal high we carry so it tends to be more popular than the other kratom varieties among experimenters.
     
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    AFOAF of mine tried this product awhile ago and didn't get anything from it! He is a everyday kratom burner and happened to run into this again and decided to try 2 bottles again, but this time he told me it was unbelievable and couldn't believe how good it was. He was thinking they must have changed the formula, the effects he got from the two bottles was comparable to 5 grams of Ultra enhanced indo, or about 3 ml of fst. It was not half as expensive either. Don't like how its marketed but they have got it right this time.
     
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    tried this twice. 2 bottles each time. it tastes sort of sweet but still bitter and gritty even after you shake it. VERY expensive. ZERO effects each time.

    Total waste of money, ime.
     
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    I tried this out of desperation when my packge didn't arrive and I ran out of kratom. The taste was vile and it didn't even make me well on any level. Lethargy was still there at full volume and I was irritable to boot. Not sure if there are different versions of this or what but it is either very weak kratom or I got sold some bunk stuff.
     
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    I don't know what are all these bad reviews are all about........It takes me 15-30 grams(depending upon strain) to get anything out of kratom. I bought a bottle of vicozen a year ago along with some kratom...I drank the bottle of vicozen and I was feeling incredible....It actually felt like a vike buzz. u have to make sure u shake the bottle well, or after u take the shit u will see black almost tar like substance inside the bottle still, that is the majority of the good stuff.