USA - We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required "Clearance" to Leave USA

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  1. old hippie 56

    old hippie 56 Gold Member

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    Found this today at www.sianews.com and it from www.friendsofliberty.com

    October 26, 2006

    Forget no-fly lists. If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14,
    2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us
    permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

    The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all
    airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain
    clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the
    United States.

    It doesn't matter if you have a U.S. Passport - a "travel document"
    that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually
    unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you
    want. When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the
    agency says "no" to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the
    request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United
    States.

    Consider what might happen if you're a U.S. passport holder on
    assignment in a country like Saudi Arabia. Your visa is about to
    expire, so you board your flight back to the United States. But wait!
    You can't get on, because you don't have permission from the HSA.
    Saudi immigration officials are on hand to escort you to a squalid
    detention center, where you and others who are now effectively
    "stateless persons" are detained, potentially indefinitely, until
    their immigration status is sorted out.

    Why might the HSA deny you permission to leave-or enter-the United
    States? No one knows, because the entire clearance procedure would be
    an administrative determination made secretly, with no right of
    appeal. Naturally, the decision would be made without a warrant,
    without probable cause and without even any particular degree of
    suspicion. Basically, if the HSA decides it doesn't like you, you're
    a prisoner - either outside, or inside, the United States, whether or
    not you hold a U.S. passport.

    The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional
    right to travel internationally. Indeed, it has declared that the
    right to travel is "a virtually unconditional personal right." The
    United States has also signed treaties guaranteeing "freedom of
    travel." So if these regulations do go into effect, you can expect a
    lengthy court battle, both nationally and internationally.

    Think this can't happen? Think again. It's ALREADY happening. Earlier
    this year, HSA forbade airlines from transporting an 18-year-old a
    native-born U.S. citizen, back to the United States. The prohibition
    lasted nearly six months until it was finally lifted a few weeks ago.
    Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history
    that didn't allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission.
    If these regulations go into effect, you can add the United States to
    this list.

    For more information on this proposed regulation, see http://
    hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf.


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  2. CrookedEye

    CrookedEye Palladium Member

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    This is sickening... Swim just hopes that this doesn't come to fruition, as we continue our ascent into this New World Order, forgoing all freedoms we fought so hard for...... :(
     
  3. old hippie 56

    old hippie 56 Gold Member

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    Think about it, they can't even secure our border with Mexico. Now, they're going to forbid US citizens from leaving the country.
     
  4. Nagognog2

    Nagognog2 Iridium Member

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    Glad Bongo knows some nice, little tunnels...I wonder why they want us to stay here? Thus far they have censored all foreign news stories coming in. Read our emails - or outright blocked our getting them from other nations - except the Nigeria Scam I've noted and prescription drugs from India. I have to clear foreign email addresses with my ISP or they will block them from my sending a Happy Birthday to my nephew in Holland and getting his hello back.

    So why do they want us here? What particular group of US citizens are they aiming this at? I guess we know that the razor-wire on top of The Bushian Wall across the Mexican border will be curved towards the US side.
     
  5. Riconoen {UGC}

    Riconoen {UGC} Newbie

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    I remeber posting something about the U.S becoming stalinist russia a few months ago....
     
  6. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    Stalin would have been proud to acomplish this much.
     
  7. Mona Lisa

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    I don't actually think it would affect the average individual, though. But it does scare me because I'm a US citizen living in the UK and I would be heartbroken if I went back to visit but wasn't allowed to go back home to the UK. Maybe our rights are indeed being slowly eroded as others have suggested; these are scary times.
     
  8. Hlucn8

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    It will never happen. {Swim nervously whisitles as he walks down a dark ally}
     
  9. Nagognog2

    Nagognog2 Iridium Member

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    Puts his copy of Frank Zappa's "Freak Out" in the machine..."...T.V. Dinners by the pool. I'm so glad I finished school! I'm telling you my dear that IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE!"