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What contributes meth-like to Cumming buckets & Very LONG Intense orgasms?

Discussion in 'Methamphetamine' started by Jason132435, Dec 22, 2007.

  1. Jason132435

    Jason132435 Newbie

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    OK< Been clean for 5 years, but have missed the orgasms i had when doing meth> Please tell me if anyone knows what contributes to the Cumming buckets & Very LONG Intense Orgasms.

    There's got to be something in the meth that causes this.

    I remember a couple times the shit I did was so good, just walking by my chick looking at her made me cum in my pants. I don't want this to be viewed as dirty post, and go unanswered. Please if you have any insight on this, respond. If you don't know the answer or maybe know where i could find it please let me know. I actually registered for a health forum too, asked the same question and the answer i got back was "dopamine"

    Thanks!!

    Happy Holidays.
     
  2. methMADMAN

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    Re: Million Dollar question, please everyone read & respond.

    It's the meth, not what's in it. BTW SWIY needs to use SWIM, when telling us what SWIY has done. SWIM stands for "someone who isn't me" and SWIY is "someone who isn't you". It's in the rules and it's about avoiding self incrimination.

    I did read another post of yours and I can tell you that what meth does is it causes a MASSIVE release of dopamine which is what makes it pleasurable. Sex does the same thing naturally. A hit of meth causes like 10X the dopamine of an orgasm. An orgasm on meth is an accelerated release of dopamine, and therefore very powerful. What SWIY describes is just about the only thing SWIM really misses about that garbage. Having hope, and a job, and a life, and a future are more than compensation for SWIM though.

    SWIM has found that the best way to get a "meth like" orgasm without meth is to delay orgasm as long as is absolutely possible.

    After reading about SWIY's experience though, SWIM can honestly tell SWIY, that SWIY shouldn't get any ideas about going back to meth. It is SO not worth it and all that pain and misery are all waiting for you if you do. The best way SWIM has heard it descibed is that SWIM's and SWIY's addiction is not a monkey but an 800# gorrila on SWIM's or SWIY's back. When the addiction is broken that gorilla is just outside the backdoor doing pushups and waiting for his chance to jump back up on SWIY's or SWIM's back.
     
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  3. beentheredonethatagain

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    Re: Million Dollar question, please everyone read & respond.

    What MethMan says is true, don't go back to using for the orgasm.
    The new stuff on the street will not be like the stuff from back in the day.

    Nik is very aware of the so called meth being traded in the hoods and it is just poor quality and not made in a garage , rather a super lab where God only knows what they put in it. Again Nik says if you like to do bunk then it is all around.
     
  4. Jason132435

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    Re: Million Dollar question, please everyone read & respond.

    Hey thanks for the reply. Yea i know where you're coming from. There's absolutely ZERO chance i would ever go back to it. I ruined and lost everything I worked so hard up to that point for.

    I am however interested in this dopamine issue. I'm sure they have to be doing research on this, kinda like viagra ya know. The more research I have done, i'm looking into this Cabergoline generically known as Dostinex. It looks like it could be down the lines of what i'm talking about. Very expensive though, and its a prescription drug. Wondering what i would have to tell the doc, to get prescription. Maybe the truth? What you guys know about this Cabergoline?
     
  5. methMADMAN

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    Well you see the trouble with that is that the brain was never meant to pump out that many neurotransmitters. So increasing the action in the pleasure center has a price. That's why coming down is such hell, all the dopamine is spent and not available until a person recovers from their tweak, or does more meth.
     
  6. pirate24

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    Re: Million Dollar question, please everyone read & respond.

    To the creator of the thread: did you usually snort it or smoke it?
     
  7. snapper

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    There is*really nothing that approximates that aspect of meth except maybe (to a lesser extent) MDPV. However, it too is a stimulant and addictive (more like coke though). SWIM does not think dostinex would approximate that feeling, but ther again, SWIM has never tried dostinex. It is reputed to increase the quantity of excretions...
    Meth is the devil, plain and simple. There is no controlling it and no behaving on it. There is also nothing like it and indeed the qualuty of of what is out there now is crap. There are few if åny small chemists left out there who take pride in their work.
     
  8. Jason132435

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    Mostly smoked it, but we would capsul it up and eat it too. That seemed to be the best way for not getting all DUH'd out. snorted it at times too, although the stuff we were doing (distilled) was way too powerful to snort.

    Either way, it was all dumb, and if you are curious or using it, once you start (and you will most likely) using it everyday, you just traded your life and all you have for a dumb drug. It isn't worth it I promise.
     
  9. yaba

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    Re: Million Dollar question, please everyone read & respond.

    Still have a look at the rules.
     
  10. FrenchFries

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    Methamphetamine has been found to induce spontaneous ejaculation in sleep deprived rat's (all test subjects) at 64mg/Kg body weight, easily enough to OD on. SWIM personal hypothesis, is that a low tolerance combined with a central nervous system that has not yet downregulated to compensate for being flooded with dopamine all the time would probably respond exactly the way your talking about. See, meth causes the release of dopamine which besides stimulating the mesolimbic pathway (reward center) this neurotransmitter is responsible for conduction of signals via the spinal column and in the brain itself. Ejaculation is actually a reflexive response originating in the lumbar region of your spine, this "reflex" causes peristaltic muscle contractions in the pelvis when incomming stimulus from the genitals reaches a certain level of intensity. Now, flooding your CNS with dopamine is basically going to get your nervous system prime for conducting signals throughout your body. Which is going to make it possible to elicit a much greater response with a much lower amount of stimulus. Basically, SWIY was using chemicals to stimulate those nerves. The only drugs that will get SWIY a similiar effect, are drugs with similiar effects to methamphetamines.
     
  11. JoeM

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    Re: Million Dollar question, please everyone read & respond.

    And what would those drugs be? (for the chemically illiterate amongst us)
     
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  12. Darian

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    Crap that meth is the devil. I mean, it isn't always crap, but I've done it since about 15 and it's been very occasional. First time snorted but then smoked, and I'm actually coming off it right now but I haven't done it much compared to my parents which is why it's hard to stay clean. I live in Vegas and life is rough here but speed makes fucking everything exciting. It doesn't have to be neurotoxic either, I mean searches on PubMed prove in mice, rats and rabbits, even monkeys, that acetylcarnitine and other power anti-oxidants like alpha-lipoic acid, vitamin C (which C would shorten the high unfortunately) or you could just take Modafanil and block the dopamine transporter avoiding the core problem, which is the autooxidation of dopamine which goes EVERYWHERE. In the synapse and EVEN in the cell (which if it oxidizes to reactive oxygen species and free radicals... is going to damage energy homeostasis by interacting with mitochondria, either that or once norepinephrine or meth gets high enough in concentration then electron uncoupling occurs) It's so unnatural. Meth whether Methamphetamine or Methylaminorex, which ironically lasts longer and is less neurotoxic, and more euphoric and tic-driven by nature (i.e. compulsive and likely more or less psychotic.) It's also hard to eat. I'm suspecting my last was methylaminorex because it lasted so long and it seemed to be really clean. Split half a teenth with 4 people, but I got overstimulated at points with mild amounts of caffeine and synthetic cannabinoids. Enough to make me suspect a slight overdose. Anyways, by taking large doses (200-800 mg of ibuprofen, mainly higher doses at first, and was able to preload with 800) I was able to avoid the body and jaw aches that you get, and by rehydrating I was able to get rid f the headaches. Wasn't able to eat, but I have green tea extract, magnesium oxide, oil of oregano, milk thistle, and I used to take lemon balm extract which was almost as good as benzos or alcohol for being able to eat and sleep. It would actually give me the munchies while I was still flying, and add onto the speed euphoria.

    The truth is though, if you can't handle the drug without abusing yourself, you just shouldn't do it. If you can't get strung out, tripping or flying on this hallucinogenic phenethylamine stimulant without forcing yourself to eat and drink, and taking the necessary measures to avoid damaging all the axons in your brain, killing off whole neurons, and eroding your personality, then you're just landing yourself from whatever you are now that is well adjusted compared to the long ass list of therapeutic measures and all sorts of anti-depressant and anti-psychotic medications you'll be taking. In fact, you should probably worry about dying high. You should not fucking mess with speed at all recreationally, without proving modafanil will work in humans and not just mice or rabbits to completely prevent most brain injury or methylphenidate (Ritalin probably after the drug, but without a beta blocker like propanol you're probably still stressing your heart.)

    Think about this: Meth has direct effects on the heart, being synthetic dopamine basically. Smoking it goes straight to your heart. With it's analgesic effects, vasoconstriction and likelihood of coronary vasospasm, you can be damaging your heart without even realizing it.

    Small amounts are gingko-biloba and caffeine-like generally, but once you exceed a certain amount which is usually 5 milograms per kilogram, speed becomes toxic and you NEED to preload, load and post load with non-steroidal antiinflammatory drugs, NMDA antagonists and antioxidants or GABA-ergics if you don't want to fuck yourself over in the long run.

    As for what everyone else has said, don't forget that methampetamine and other drugs of this unnatural monoamine releasing and reuptake blocking behavior also amplify ANYTHING pleasurable and dopaminergic. Dopamine doesn't always mean pleasure though, Meth is a FINE line between pleasure and paranoia. It's a trip into insanity almost, or psychosis, if you eat a whole bunch, basically enough to equal or touch upon a neurotoxic single dose in rats.

    Think about it. Methamphetamine is only 'nootropic' at 5-30 milligram amounts orally. Past that it's just the illusion of cognitive superiority or wit or whatever the fuck. All the rambling and excessive behaviors you do on it alienate people, and that's why I don't want to go out on public on speed.

    Darian added 35 Minutes and 18 Seconds later...

    To answer your question, yeah, you do get amazing orgasms at first from speed, I remember having sex with my ex girlfriend on it (which I was paranoid because I knew she hated meth so bad and I didn't want to show that I'd be all fucked up all the time -- for a week and a half I was though.) It's the hardest to orgasm. Eventually your brain neuroadapts to methamphetamine, sex, pornography, cocaine, marijuana, synthetic cannabinoids, orgasms or really anything that feels good and it just isn't the same until you quit for a long time. Luckily, orgasms almost always feel good if you know how to treat yourself just right, or you've got a sexual partner or significant other that just really knows how to spin your wheels, whereas speed costs money and harms your health in ways that if you don't protect yourself from, will cost you more medically and dentally than you can imagine. Even your life is at stake without Harm Reduction.
     
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  13. Mindless

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    There is nothing I can add to Frenchfries excellent reply on stimulation of the mesolimbic pathway and peristaltic contractions via the lumbar region of the spine.

    Welcome to DF Darian! I'm a bit uncertain about the value of using beta-blockers to protect the heart while using meth or other amphetamines. Some beta-adrenoreceptor blocking drugs have an intrinsic sympathomimetic activity and might stimulate adrenoreceptors (British National Formulary 2012). I'm not certain whether Propranolol is one of these drugs, but it's possible adverse effects include heart failure and peripheral vasoconstriction. This could exacerbate the vasoconstictive effects of amphetamines, including methamphetamine.

    My own experience of amphetamine use was that there can be sudden and more gradual changes in blood pressure. Postural hypotension was a daily visitor, often resulting in a 'black veil' descending over my vision and fainting. The beta blocker Bisoprolol has a similar effect on me at times. I have no experience of interactions between amphetamine/methamphetamine and beta-blockers, but their combined use might have an adverse impact on blood pressure and heart rate. The combined use of amphetamines and beta blockers without specialist supervision (such as provided by a cardiologist) seems potentially risky. There is a thread on the combined use of Adderall and the beta blocker Antenolol here.
     
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  14. Darian

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    Excellent, potentially life saving information. I haven't used beta-blockers like propanolol, but I have used gingko biloba and basically a stack of herbs and nutrients to try to avoid the inevitable things that happen when you abuse speed. Maybe instead of ever getting into that cycle of self medicating, I'd be best off learning to feel good naturally. It's hard though having Asperger Syndrome. My uncle became a drunk. I can't loosen up without xanax because meth just makes me paranoid about what people think when I'm on it. Most people don't like meth or tweakers in general. Amphetamines are not to be crazily abused, that's all.

    And my worst experience although most euphoric, awesome and scary was methamphetamine which has delayed effects then later on good crack cocaine, marijuana and I was chain smoking cigarettes and once I introduced caffeine it amplified everything. Vasoconstriction and hypertension was so bad at the time though I did it, and I had some incredible feelings that really made me wonder about MDMA, it was like an orgasm in my brain whenever I had a smoke, once the dirty feelings at first wore off.


    Still though. Gingko biloba, green tea extract, magnesium and lemon balm made me feel good in ways that speed couldn't, and lemon balm was the only way I could eat and sleep on it without weed, alcohol or xanax.

    Darian added 2 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

    I'm hoping I don't introduce so many antioxidants I exacerbate the damage, at the same time I'm curious about gingko bilobas true effects on blood circulation over many months, because that's how long I've been taking a double strength, standardized extract. Still though, gingkolic acid can be irritating to nerve cells. It's all about moderation with these things.
     
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  15. catchytune

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    Re: Million Dollar question, please everyone read & respond.

    This is what i dont understand i mean i get the theory but you hear two strong opposites when it comes to climax on meth ,
    1 ''i cant believe the strong orgasms and multi climaxes i am expierences while on meth''
    2 ''its almost impossible to climax for me while high on meth sex sessions continue for multiple hours''

    2 can be confirmed by most men the gay scene is a clear evidence of this gay sex/meth parties that never end(go on for days).. the reason being there is no climax or almost none while high on meth

    so i find nr 1 actually a really strange enigma it sounds more like people are confused about what meth is and does and just the effects from meth: feeling sexually aroused physically and mentally and what meth is to them known as the ''sex drug'' gives them these not so realistic feelings and stories among climax/sex on meth

    i got so many questions that come to mind: ofcourse the female body climax easier/differently so i CAN understand why 2 would apply to them.. also with men limpness tend to happen but this can be sorted out ofc by supplementing

    also the RUSH caused by flooding dopamine from injecting is semilar? to how a orgasms work so i could see nr 1 apply here? to users who inject but than it should only accrue right when injected not after euphory and a regular high? basically im wondering where does IVing versus other ROA stand in this topic of reaching climax on meth..

    i was hoping knowledgeable forum users like 'waiting for the fall' could shed some light on this controversial topic