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Answered - What drugs do they test for in Drug Court?

Discussion in 'Drug testing Questions' started by billy1nk, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. billy1nk

    billy1nk

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    SWIM has recently been sentenced to two years in a Drug Court program. SWIM is wondering what exactly he can get away with doing. SWIM is aware heroin, meth, cocaine, ecstacy, alcohol, weed, and crack aren't going to pass on a drug test.. but what about LSD, Mushrooms, Ether, Ketamine, DMT, and synthetic drugs like JWH-018, 2ci, 2ce?

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    Also SWIM has a tramadol prescription they are letting him take while in drug court. Does that mean SWIM can still shoot oxys? Tramadol makes SWIM test positive for opiates. Do they have a certain test that they can see the exact drug you were doing or do all opiate pills test positive?
     
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  2. Khariz

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    SWIM is an attorney (defense) in a Drug Court program, so he has a lot of experience in this area.

    Ketamine and DMX show up as PCP on standard 5/7 panel drug tests.

    LSD and Alcohol are also testable (alcohol is not on a standard panel). Most Drug Courts don't go to the expense of paying for tests that can test for JWH-018/073, but such tests do exist.

    Ironically the people who know the most about what SWIY can get away with in the program are the fellow participants. They know what they are getting away with.

    As far as standard panel tests go, Opiates are Opiates. If the Drug Court uses sticks or standard chemical tests, SWIY should be able to use whatever opiate he wants. Advanced confirmation tests like GCMS tests could isolate a particular substance, but it is unlikely a Court would go that route due to cost per test.

    Most of the Beta-Ketones show up as an amphetamine or methamphetamine. Don't touch those (Mephedrone, MDPV, etc). SWIM has no clue about 2ci or 2ce. As far as dissociatives go, SWIY might check out Methoxetamine. SWIM has his doubts that it would show up as PCP like DXM, but it could.

    That's the best SWIM can give. Most Drug Courts don't test for Cannabinoids, especially the more obscure ones like Jwh-250 and AM-2201, both of which are rather nice.
     
  3. billy1nk

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    Thanks, appreciate it.
     
  4. dadrone

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    Khariz - how do they test for LSD? Possibly ill-informed but SWIM has always been under the impression it was very difficult to test for LSD.
     
  5. Khariz

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    Great question. It is not normal for a 5/7 panel drug test to include a test for LSD. They do, however, make LSA specific tests. Basically, in our Drug Court, if we KNOW that your drug of choice is LSD, we will using Lysergic Acid tests. If you are meth addict, opiate addict or pot smoker...you likely will never be tested for LSD.

    Just don't tell them that you ever use it, and it'll never be tested for, basically. I just wanted to mention that it's possible.

    LSA/LAA can be tested for, but only with specific tests designed for such detection it's not a normal part of the average 5 panel test.
     
  6. kailey_elise

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    Um, they most DEFINITELY test for some cannabinoids, like THC!

    Alcohol being tested for depends on the strictness of the Drug Court in question.

    Drug tests can (and often do - it's fairly standard now) have separate tests for Opiates & Oxycodone. So just because Tramadol trips the test for Opiates doesn't mean it will trip the test for Oxycodone, whereas shooting Oxycodone will cause a positive on that panel! ;) If one isn't prescribed it, one shouldn't fuck with it, sorry to say.

    Some Drug Courts *DO* go through the added expense of testing for the synthetic cannabinoids. And at any time can send the sample for further testing to find out exactly what one is taking. For instance, if one has a prescription for Tramadol, they might very well decide to send random samples out for more extensive testing to make certain that is, in fact, the only opioid being consumed.

    The only way to know how strict it is, is to ask the others on Drug Court what people are getting away with, as has been stated. But be aware that they can send a sample for more extensive testing at any time.

    Drug Court sucks.

    ~Kailey
     
  7. dadrone

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    What is the time frame for detection of LSD after one uses? SWIM hasn't used LSD, or been in drug court (for possession of a marijuana pipe :rolleyes:), for upwards of a decade but some others may find use in the information.
     
  8. Moving Pictures

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    Wanted to add that in my area, drug courts DO test for synthetic canabinoids. I'm not sure which ones or if they all share the same metabolite(s) but the do test for them. I assume they test for the most popular ones used in the Spice type blends. So in some, if not many, places, synthetic pot is tested for. Make sure you know what they test for (by asking others who are on it with you, as Kailey said) before you use those synth. canabinoids.
     
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  9. Khariz

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    Please note that I didn't say they couldn't.

    I said many don't. And even those that do don't tend to test for ones beyond the JWH-XXX and Hu-XXX varieties.

    dadrone, LSD is all but gone from standard testing in about 48 hours.
     
  10. Spare Chaynge

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    Opiates are not Opiates! Tramadol will not give you a free card to do any opiate you want! Please research the information and use the search engine. This topic has been covered hundreds of times.
     
  11. Khariz

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    They can be, depending on what kind of test is used.

    If the Drug Court is using a standard 5 panel that does nothing more than detect the presence of certain classes of drugs, MOST opiates will merely trigger a positive for opiates, with no means to differentiate between the two.

    Sure, some specific vendors may not be testing for certain metabolites that are in some opiates and not others, or the reagents used in different tests may react to some opiates and not others.

    If, however, you are taking tramadol, and that causes you to test positive on the standard 5 panel urinalysis stick, you can take lortab and that specific test can't differentiate. Yes, they can send the test for confirmation and see the specific drug (via methods like gas chromatography) if they care to/care to pay for it.

    You aren't "safe" doing the above. My post was addressing standing urine-stick 5/7 panel tests. Nothing more.
     
  12. Moving Pictures

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    But during tests for drug court, aren't positives sent in for conformation to make sure it's not a false positive? And wouldn't that conformation tell which opiate was being used? Cus if they don't send the test in for conformation, any half-brained lawyer could get the violantion thrown out on the grounds of a false positive.
     
  13. Khariz

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    Yeah, but you have to read this thread in context.

    The OP stated that the person he knows takes Tramadol and the Drug Court knows this, and are expecting to see positives for Opiates on the standard tests. If this is true, he can likely take a stronger Opiate that will trip the same test and there will be no reason for confirmation, as he will be popping hot for what they expect him to.

    Understanding that, hopefully you see why I responded the way I did.
     
  14. kailey_elise

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    Yes, but I've seen "Standard 5 Panel" tests that test for both the "generic" Opiates (which aren't always - and usually aren't - just morphine/codeine/heroin anymore) AND a specific Oxycodone panel. This is EXTREMELY common. So if someone were prescribed Tramadol & it's supposed to trip the "Opiate" panel, that's one thing. But if they have the very common separate panel for Oxycodone as well, then that person would be fucked if they tried to imbibe in Oxycodone when all they have a prescription for is Tramadol.

    Basically, Drug Court sucks & you never know. :(

    ~Kailey
     
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    Very true. This is why the best advice to the OP from both me and other posters in this thread is: ask the other participants. They'll know more about it than we can speculate.
     
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    My cat was in drug court for two years and they could probably test for specific opiates by sending the urine sample to the lab(they did this randomly after testing with a 6 panel). When my cat was getting tested it used ethnobotanicals like kratom, kava-kava, and experimented with certain RCs. At one point my cat used 'the Number 1' , a strap on device with a pouch of synthetic urine to pass the screenings. After my cat graduated, they started testing for JWH series cannabinoids...
     
  17. DmTryp

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    Tramadol is not broken down in to morphine or codeine by the body; therefore, it does not give a positive for opiates in immunoassay screening tests. Oxycodone breaks down into different metabolites as well. That is why there's a separate panel for it. Tramadol won't show up on the oxy or opiate panels.
     
  18. Jasim

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    Tramadol has become very commonly abused in some areas, notably Eastern Europe and Russia. With the ease of access of tramadol (requiring only an internet connection and a credit card) and it's spreading popularity as a drug of abuse (particularly in the west, including the US) it is only a matter of time before it becomes widespread in testing panels. Though at the present DmTryp is correct, it is not a common test analyte.
     
  19. troz1115

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    OMG dont take the oxys please don't. "opiates" refer to 3 things morphine, heroin, and coedine. This is because all three have morphine as the active metabolite. They are the only Opiates, everything else is whats called a semi-synthetic opiod hydrocodone/Oxycodone/Dilaudid the list goes on. Oxy's metabolize into oxymorphone which u will b tested for. Tramadol can very seldom result in a false positive for opiates so you could use heroin maybe.... the problem is the confirmatory test Gc/ms tells the exact amount of metabolites present and tramadol is going to come no where close to the same morphine content in urine as a good shot of h will. I have spent 100s of hours researching different drugs, their metabolites, the enzyme that they inhibit/induce, their pharmacokinetics, and their physiological ph, AND IM on the color code... heed my advice or you'll be hearing the bars slam shut behind you just like i did my first month.