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Injecting - What is SWIYs preferred needle and syringe specifications?

Discussion in 'Heroin' started by H Bomber, Jun 17, 2009.

  1. H Bomber

    H Bomber Titanium Member

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    Ok, so SWIM noticed that in the wide world of injection drug use there is quite a variety of options available for equipment. For IV use he prefers a 28ga needle that is 1/2" (12.7mm) in length and is permanently affixed to a 1cc (100 unit) disposable Becton-Dickinson brand (BD medical supplies) insulin syringe and which comes in a ten pack. This is when injecting heroin or the majority of other opioids (fentanyl is a notable exception). For IM use, such as when he is doing ketamine or anabolic steroids, or even just muscling opioids, he prefers a 23ga needle that is 1 1/2" and interchangeably affixed with a luer-lock connector to a 3cc syringe, also by BD, which comes with needle and syringe separately individually wrapped.

    He also noticed, however, that everybody seems to have a different opinion on which is the best sort of equipment to use. So, is SWIY more a fan of 1/2cc (50u), or even 1/3cc (30u), syringes? Heck, maybe they just like to use a big old 5 or 10cc, just for fun. Perhaps they go in for the Terumo, Kendall or Walgreen's brands, or for that matter any other one of the numerous syringe manufacturers out there. Some people find 1/4" (6.35mm) length needles on their 'insulin' syringes are just more comfortable and produce less of a track mark, and others find them hard to use because of their scar tissue. A person who IMs may rather use a 1" length needle if they have a slim build. With sizes up to 33ga available, the average user has 5 gauges (up from 28ga) that they are likely to find suitable. Some prefer the minimal damage that the higher gauges offer, however many find that the lower end of the spectrum is more suitable, as they allow the syringe to fill and empty relatively quickly and are less likely to clog or break. Maybe if they are IMing they like to slap a 21ga on there and just unload that sucker, or maybe they are sensitive and would rather use a 25ga. If they skin pop, maybe they like a 26ga with a sub-cutaneous bevel. The possibilities are seemingly endless.

    So, given all the factors involved, what overall specifications are swimmers looking for in their equipment?
     
  2. JonDub

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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    30g 1cc 1/2" Preferred, but have no problem using 28g 1cc 1/2". Also have no problem using 1/2 cc's if I have too. Anything bigger then 28g is just too big.
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    Swim unfortunately has had no choice but to use 25 gauge at 5/8" spikes lately, which is a bummer, but the usual preference is something along the lines of 29 gauge at 1/2". It all depends on what is available. There are no needle exchanges in swim's city, and since swim's state border's Mex., where tar primarily enters the states, pharmacies are very strict about handing out needles.
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    30g 1cc TERUMOS duh lol
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    My lizard's favorite is 1cc 30 gauge with a 5/16 inch needle. He likes the 31 gauge even better, but they are a bit too easy to clog and a bit too slow to fill and empty, so 30ga is a good compromise. These small gauges are very easy to insert and don't leave much of a mark. The "short needle" as it's called on the packaging is definitely preferred over the long ones, even with my lizard's tough scales in certain spots the short length always seems to work just fine with less chance of poking straight through.
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    Swim prefers the 1/2 cc needles. Swim finds them easier to hit with and a lot less painful.
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    Swim likes 1/2 cc short tip needles the best,there small and easier to hide....
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    1 CC - God SWIM wishes he could get bigger needles, but that is the largest they will sell without an RX here.

    31 gauge. SWIM can hit the tiniest veins anywhere in the body with this needle with no problem. Learning to use it and all the techniques involved for shooting small veins gives you unlimited veins basically.
     
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    Swim has been using a needle the size of a pop bottle :/
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    Wow, short tips and small gauges are more popular than swim would've guessed. Short tips (length) fall short of his veins because of scars. And anything over 29ga has a tendency to bend, break, or get very dull in that same gristly scar tissue. Swim wishes he hadn't messed his good veins up so bad.
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    swim doesn't get much of a choice, the local needle exchange only has 29,28 or 27 g. BD brand 1 cc or 1/2 cc

    swim prefers 27g 1cc and these are by far the most common on the exchange, the ones they run out of most. she normally uses these for IM use, but for IV the 29g is best because the big veins are all gone and she has to use the smaller ones (even though these tend to clogg up easier).

    swim doesn't think there's a choice on the length of the needle.

    question: are any swimmers in the U.S. able to just walk into a pharmacy and buy needles? swim's read some posts on here that seem to imply this but she has never known pharmacys to sell without something from a doctor.
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    Yes some of the pharmacies you can. Some of them (at least in Red Rock's state) require a script. Even some of the pharmacies that don't require a script it is up to their discretion if they want to sell them to you.
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    Swim alternates between 1ml 29g and 1ml 30g. The 30g leaves basically no track marks, and slips in so easy, and it's got a detatchable tip so you can suck up more of the gear.
    However, swim likes variety, and he first started shooting with the 29g BD insulin syringes.........so he kind of has a soft spot for em.

    Swim was forced to shoot up with 28g pins last xmas.........and he was not a fan. He really felt like they were doing waaaaay more damage to his veins than his normal 30g. Not nice.

    EDIT: everyone else swim knows goes in the groin though, so they use these massive detatchable dagger-like affairs. Swim isn't into that tho.
     
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    swims friend is in the los angeles area and this friend has tried several times to go into pharmacies and buy them, either making up a story of her grandma sending her in to buy her insulin needles or just asking to buy them and its never worked. :mad:
     
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    Red Rock believes it varies state to state. CA might be one of the few states that requires a script. Even here where Red Rock lives, at time the lady behind the counter asked him what they were for and he said insulin. She asked who had diabetes and Red Rock said he did and she then proceeded to ask Red Rock what brand of insulin he uses and how many units. He didn't know these answers so she didn't sell it to him at the time but Red Rock made sure to have these answers any other time he went to go buy them.
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    In the state swim lives in just go up to the counter and ask for what you want......Swim thinks in the town he recently moved to..... finally came to the conclusion that if they just didn't sell them....it may create other problems.......Just ask for a insulin syringe.They sell em for a dollar apiece.10 packs,boxes of 100 etc.


    29G 1cc...............but swim doesn't use needles (true)
    Your local vet will have monster sizes available.........
    also a new syringe is a good addition to a emergency bug-out bag(in case of a disaster)
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    Pacman uses 1/2ml syringes for fingers and palms and 1ml for others. Not sure of the gauge tbh
     
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    Not sure about the specs for SWIM, but regarding bying of the needles he was also asked what they are for. SWIM told the pharmacist that he has an unusual hobby of cultivating mushrooms, and you need them to inoculate sterile growing substrate with mycelia. No furhter questions were asked. Though I guess just saying for drugs could've done it, since it was a packet with instructions on safe shooting and directions to needle-exchange.
     
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    Re: What is SWIYs preffered needle and syringe specifications?

    swim used to use 28 gauge standard insulin syringes for heroin. for methadone, it was a 25.5 gauge (she thinks) butterfly needle, to which she would screw on either a 2ml or 5ml syringe for administration.

    before she injected her dose of methadone (which was undiluted- ie. no diluent, not watered down), she would attach the syringe to a proper pill filter, spray it into a clean container to take out any impurities, then inject till her heart was content. still to this day, there are stains on her drivers seat (in her car), from drips and spills from this process.
     
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    Swim can say that in Florida they sometimes give you a hard time but that it is legal. In New Jersey the sale of insulin syringes is prohibited without a prescription. In New York City syringes are readily available for free to members of the needle exchange, and the card used at the exchange provides the bearer with (theoretical) protection from law enforcement, as far as needles go at least. In parts of New York state that are not within the 5 boroughs of NYC the sale of insulin syringes at pharmacies (they are usually around $3.00-$3.50 for a ten pack, which is the primary way they are supplied when purchased) is legal through a program the state of NY has called ESAP (expanded syringe access demonstration program) {whats up with them leaving the letter 'D' out of the acronym?}. This program may provide a legal place to buy needles, but it does not make the possession of said needles legal under New York state criminal law. This is in spite of the fact that whenever a 10-pack of syringes is sold the customer is given an ESAP pamphlet stating that possession of the legally purchased syringes is legal under some section of the New York public health code. Swim supposes that criminal law supercedes the public health code, at least in the eyes of law enforcement. Don't you just love those catch 22's? Yay for overly complicated and contradictory American Bureaucracy!