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Purity - what makes meth oil-based?

Discussion in 'Methamphetamine' started by shwakmaster, Jul 20, 2011.

  1. shwakmaster

    shwakmaster Newbie

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    what is ,oil-based, meth? why does it crack-back slowly and in spots? what does it mean when you have a bowl that is good one second (cracks back fast in straight lines) and then ,oily, the next (cracks back slow in spots)? is is the same as ,oil-based meth,?
     
  2. Docta

    Docta Idiot Savant Palladium Member Donating Member

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    It's had to understand your meaning, please give a more detailed explanation of terms.
    I'm shore you know what your trying to say but this member doesn't quite fully under stand.

    A compounds melt point (Meth for example) remains the same, wear as the impurity's my change state at diffident temperatures.
     
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  3. beentheredonethatagain

    beentheredonethatagain Silver Member

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    no its not the same, leopard dope or freckles is the slang name for dope that comes back slowly and in spots, it is full of cut The name of the actuall substance is here on the forum , use the forums search engine, oil based dope is different, sometimes ether based.
     
  4. shwakmaster

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    around here its called oil-based when it cracks back(turns back into a solid after its melted) really slowly and in a spotted pattern(instead of the straight lines that look like icicles) but no one really knows why... sometimes the whole bag is like that which makes sense if its the cut, but why does it happen to the random bowl or when its good one second and oily the next time it gets passed around the room? for the most part it seems like it turns bad when 2 kinds of dope are mixed together, also if the pipe sucks, or maybe the flame from a bic getting sucked in the bowl could be the cause... but the question is still why?
     
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    beentheredonethatagain Silver Member

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    they want to blame fire or the smoker but really its just plain and simple cut dope not all cut but enough to speed you up some but not enough to satify ,,
     
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    beentheredonethatagain Silver Member

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    each rock is different examine each piece under a lupe
     
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    sounds like its the adulterant
    i could be wrong
     
  8. Docta

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    Think I understand well enough to give an answer, it wont be the hole story but covers most of what I think is going on.
    There are four different states of matter, different compounds will change state at different temperatures’ and rates depending on many variables, I’ll try to explain with out making it to nerdy.

    This is an example

    Melt point = MP ……(solid to liquid or Liquid to solid)
    Boiling point = BP ……(liquid to vapour or vapour to liquid)

    We have a bag of a cut white powder lets call it substance D
    It is a mixture of three equal parts, compounds A, B and C.

    Properties of compounds that make up substance D
    Compound, A MP=100°C, BP=200°C
    Compound, B MP=105°C, BP=210°C
    Compound, C MP=110°C, BP=220°C

    Note the difference in the BP’s where substance D becomes a vapour, this is sometimes called the fraction.

    We are going to boil substance D in a glass smoking pipe using a Bic lighter as a heat source.
    Bic lighter is not the greatest head source because it heats only a small part of the pipe bowl but we make do.

    Note Using a fixed temperature source like a Bic lighter things heat up fast at the start then slow at higher temperature (temperature gradient) so it may take the same amount of time to go from 100°C to 200°C as it does to go from 200°C to 220°C.

    Three people set down to smoke substance D.

    We give each of the compounds a value of ~100 so we can keep track of what going where and who get what. (Exaggerated for comparison)

    Smoker, 1 loads the pipe with substance D,
    A= ~100
    B= ~100
    C= ~100

    Smoker 1 heats the pipe melting down the white powder, more heat till it gets to 200°C then compound A starts to smokes up as a vapour, more heat 210°C A+B smoke up, more heat 220°C A+B+C smoke up, the heat is taken away, smoker 1 continues pulling on the pipe the temperature drops below 220°C C stops smoking, A+B continue to smoke, 210°C now only A is smoking of as a vapour, finely the temperature of the pipe bowl drop below 200°C and stops smoking, quickly dropping below 110°C the liquid in the pipe starts the change to solid.
    Because compound A, B and C have been smoking for different lengths of time, substance D no longer has equal parts of compounds A, B and C.

    Smoker, 2 takes the pipe from smoker 1
    A= ~55
    B= ~70
    C= ~85

    Smoker 2 smokes the pipe the same as smoker 1 again changing the ratio of the three parts that make up substance D, exaggerated to the point that when it terns back the a solid there is so much more compound C then A or B that it looks totally different in the bowl.

    Smoker, 3 takes the pipe from smoker 2
    A= ~20
    B= ~45
    C= ~65
     
    So you can see by the time the pipe gets to smoker 3 substance D is made up of a deferent ratio of compounds A, B and C.
    This in my opinion is the main reason that impure (cut shit) smoked meth would change between the start and finish of a session.
    I hope you can follow what I’m trying to say.
     
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    actually that does make sense, thanks.. but its still curious that sometimes the whole bag when melted will look spotted like that too. and if it isnt really oil-based(which means everyone around here is sadly mistaken-totally possible) then what is it exactly? it wouldnt be so hard to beleive it was simply cut if it didnt happen randomly to really good dope... admittedly most of the time people have no idea what good dope is because no one seems to pay very much attention to it but that isnt the case with this one...

    for example, keeping in mind one might be wrong because one is not a chef of any sort and is only making observations.. one has gathered that combined with the airflow from the hole in the top of a pipe, the hot liquid has to touch the cold glass to create smoke- hence the rolling back and forth... thus if one uses a water pipe there is no need to roll because the suction of the water pulls the dope up the sides of the bowl. and one never takes the first hit because it almost always tastes like the cut that burns up first. and most importantly, one watches the way it cracks back(freezes); clear straight lines that stretch across the whole bowl are my favorite, and then the spider-web lines come from the cut, one had beleived the spots meant it was oil-based but now one is not sure, and if its just solid with no lines at all its slider(the worst)............. but since these are all just speculations, please correct any impurities in ones theory
     
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    As meth is very soluble on water Docta dose not recommend the water pipe unless the water is being drunk:D
     
  12. shwakmaster

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    yes the water does retain alot of the dope but when all is gone and no one will answer the phone, all one has to do is evaporate the water and presto... residue! tastes funny but its pretty dam potent
     
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    Its not oil based, i am not even sure what the definition is of something that is oil based... I assume you mean how its a oil when freebased and isnt soluble in water? Well when its freebase meth its an oil and not soluble in water, but when its a salt its very water soluble and is a white solid, totally depends on what form you have it in...

    Most freebase anything arn't soluble in water, and salts always are.

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    What you are describing is defiantly cut.

    I suppose you could start off with an oily cut bowl, burn off the cut and end up with a more pure product.
     
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    well after much thought, one is still confused... if one has dope from 2 different sources(A and B) where dope A is very good(straight lines, cracks back fast) and dope B looks pretty good too(cracks back fast).. why would it turn into that leopard spotted slow freezing dope when you mix A and B together? If A is not cut with leopard spots and neither is B what would make it look like that when A and B get mixed together?

    shwakmaster added 4 Minutes and 5 Seconds later...

    and one has only experienced the bowl starting out good and then after a few hits it looks like the leopard spotted dope, one has never seen the oily leopard spots burn off leaving the rest of the bowl looking normal
    once its all oily like that its done for

    shwakmaster added 3 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...

    one doesnt understand
     
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    Wouldnt bowles gas laws neutralize the high bp and low bp and create equal pressure refardlrss if dealing with different product or fuels used as oil base? If its hcl meth its not sone of this, some of that, it becomes one. Even when combining dry bags. I could be wrong
     
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    Sorry do you mean Boyle's law, pV=k?
     
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    swim got some of that shit they call leapord dope jus a few days ago. his buddy said the shit came in from mexico and swim was like koo.. hopefully its some that old school shit, wrong. looks jus like ice. swim loaded the biggest shard, that shit was cool. swim even called the buddy back and said it was good. the next day after shard was finishd, swim loads the rest of bag and melts it down. shit doesn't crak back. swim's never seen this before so he's curious. taste like crank but don't fucken crack back for like ever. when it does crack back, bunch of dots form and slowly rocks back. bunch of little spinning wheels. swim gave it a bath in acetone and filters it and doesn't loose hardly anything. the ending product is just the same. the whole process did nothing to it.
     
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    dont mix the bags together if they are fine by themselves. crystals are formed by what is called an ionic bond. ionic bonds are non-conductive by nature, but when a crystal is melted the ions are freed and conduct electricity via ionic movement. seeing that "leopard dope"(C10H15N, N-(phenylmethyl)propan-2-amine) is a structural isomer of meth (C10H15N, N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine) melting the two in the same bowl and then allowing it solidify again could very likely change the structure of the meth molecule because it would be easier for the meth to covalently bond to the iso by moving the h and n molecules & swapping them with the ch3 molecules. look up the molecules of isopropylbenylamine and methamphetamine so u can see what im talking about. in reality its more complicated but at the same time simple as hell.

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    also overheating it could change the structure if it wasnt all the way cleaned and its over heated, the contaminents + the heat could have the ability to overreduce the psuedo. not all the way sure i havnt done much research on the ionization potential of meth, and would be hard to know also w/o knowing the method that it was cooked with.
     
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    meth is an organic compound, meaning it is carbon based. when heat and/or pressure is applied it can undergo pyrolisis. meaning the carbon bonds in the meth molecule will break down as a result of the heat and or pressure, then the other elements in the molecule will be free to react with one another and create something new or just rearrange the carbon arms. if there is impurities in the crystal it is likely from not being cleaned properly which would mean precursor chemicals would still be present and under heat or pressure the impurities and the meth can undergo an atom transfer radical polymerization. which is not really that good cuz a lotta times the intermediaries and by products are way worse for you, chlorephedrine, desloratadine, reduced PE, and lotsa others. but swim still smokes that shit, what i been noticing is the more he look at the shit cracking back the more he find wrong with it and less high he get cuz hes all worried bout shit what the fuck this shit gettin cut with and whatnot. just smoke it glance at it make sure it doin nothin too bizarre dont worry bout it and swim been gettin high doin it that way. and all the chemically shit im talking bout is explained simple and only like a fraction of how it all works not enough room here to explain it thuroughly or maybe im too high to be capable of explaining it better, but look shit like this up. chemistry is literally everything, ull understand ur drugs and day 2 day life in general knowin and learnin chemistry shit.