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Discussion in 'Downers and sleeping pills' started by laws0n, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. laws0n

    laws0n Silver Member

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    I have had problems sleeping throughout the last year. SWIM's doctor perscribed SWIM Cyclobenziprine or Flexerol, and that didnt work. I am now taking Amitriptyline for sleeping problems and that doesnt work either. I am having troubles falling asleep and then staying asleep but mostly falling asleep. SWIM's doctor is very conservative when it comes to perscriptions and SWIM's parents wont go to another doctor. What do you think SWIM's doctor will perscribe next? and what should SWIM tell him so SWIM can get the perscription I need? I am thinking about purshasing soma online as an option. SWIM already asked his doctor and he said "No Way, I dont perscribe that"

    Thanks for all your advice =).
     
  2. DrMuffy

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    Re: What to tell my doctor.

    Well flexeril and Soma are both muscle relaxants, which do cause drowsiness, but are not intended for treatment of insomnia. So those probably wouldnt help You out too much, unless his insomnia was due to muscle tension or something along those lines. Common sleep medications prescribed nowadays are: Lunesta (eszopiclone), Ambien (Zopidem), and Sonata (Zaleplon). In SWIdr's oppinion, Ambien is the best of these three medications. For you's situation, Ambien CR (Controlled-Release) would probably be best, its first layer disolves quickly to get him asleep, and the second layer dissolves much slower to keep him asleep. There are also benzodiazepine medications for insomnia, but SWIdr doubts you's doctor would prescribe him those since they can be pretty addictive. Hope this helps You out in his predicament! Good luck!
     
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    Re: What to tell my doctor.

    Ditto DrMuffy's suggestion -- ISO, You should directly request Ambien or Lunesta. Ambien has better recreational potential ISO, and no nasty-taste-in-mouth side effect like that of Lunesta. The immediate release formula tends to work faster/better than Lunesta, but unfortunately not KEEP a person asleep as long... so Ambien CR would be perfect for a full night's sleep, otherwise Lunesta.

    Be sure to hit Google & print out several drug-company studies 'proving' no signs of addiction or tolerance after prolonged use. Whether it's true matters not, doctors generally love official pharm-industry propaganda and believe it as if written on tablets of stone by a burning bush.
     
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    Re: What to tell my doctor.

    forget the pills. Cyclobenziprine and Flexerol are shit. Excersise and a good diet/state of mind is all you need.
     
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    Re: What to tell my doctor.

    Allright ill keep it short and sweet... request ambien cr and get the ambien cr trial from the website it works well.
     
  6. laws0n

    laws0n Silver Member

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    Re: What to tell my doctor.

    thank you very much for the help. Yes SWIM have TMJ so SWIM's muscles have problems relaxing but I also have insomnia so I think directly asking for Ambien CR (and saying or even showing how its non addictive) is the best option. And for the free trial how does that work? They dont just mail a 7 Day supply to SWIM's house do they? Or do you still have to consult a doctor but dont have to pay for it?
     
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    Re: What to tell my doctor.

    Contact their website for that. And I would need a prescription for such. Major pharmaceutical companies aren't in the habit of mailing out drugs to people. Likely a coupon the pharmacy would submit and I would get a refund-check in the mail.
     
  8. laws0n

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    Re: What to tell my doctor.

    So I went to my doctor today and she uped the dose to 50mgs, (from 20mgs). Of the Amytriptyline. My mom mentioned Ambien and Lunesta and the doctor said that those are benzo (even though they arent) and that they can become "habit forming". If the amytriptyline doesnt work do you know what they will most likely perscribe next?
     
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    Re: What to tell my doctor.

    If yous doctor really thinks those are benzodiazepines, You should go to another one. SWIdr wouldn't trust his mental health with someone who seems to barely know anything about the medication they are prescribing.
     
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    Re: What to tell my doctor.

    Aside from that - amitriptyline is a benzodiazepine derivative! Leave a live duck loose in his waiting-room. Kwak! Kwak!
     
  11. laws0n

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    Re: What to tell my doctor.

    i told my mom to schedule me for another doctor. She also has sleeping problems and when she was medicated for it she said nothing worked for her except Alprazolam (Xanax). I think this was before the ambien lunesta stuff came out. But she cant use those anymore due to her nighttime job. I have been experimenting with oxy (snorting 20mg). and that has been a very good sleepaid for SWIM but is not for long term use obviously. Do benzos work like opiates or are they a completely different effect?
     
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    benzodiazepines wont cause long term effects and I has even snorted a few. benzos go up nice and smoothly and klonopin even has somewhat of a methall smell/feeling for some reason lol. however it isnt very effective so swim never blew benzos again. benzos will cause some type of long term crap also.... withdrawl. lawson..... mixing xanax and oxy will probly put u to sleep really well and the mixture between the two will exagerate the effects of eachother. benzos do not take the same mode of action that opiates do.
     
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    I found an understanding doctor who doesnt just hand out scripts but looked at me very thoroughly and made SWIM fill out alot of questionares. He gave me 15 1mg Lunesta. He said that if SWIM wanted to keep taking this daily I should visit a Psycyacrist and then he would be happy to write a script for 1 everyday. Hopefulyl this will work, if not then what would they move the script to, Ambien and then benzos?
     
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    Please always include the chemical name of pharmaceutical drugs in your posts. This can be easily obtained from Google or other search engine. Doing so will avoid confusion on this international forum. Thank you.
     
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    I was given trazadone which he hated due to side effects, then given restoril and never looked back... Be careful... trazadone made SWIM think he was going to die, but it works real well for a lot of other people. I like restoril because he gets no side effects... other than memory loss if he stays awake, or wakes up in the middle of the night... no sleepiness in the morning when he wakes up. Everyones body chemistry is different, you just have to find the right one. Many drugs that work wonders for others, give SWIM horrid side effects, and vice versa.
     
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    ask for zolpidem they work a treat

    tell the doc you were advised them by a friend
     
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    AW: What to tell my doctor to get an effective sleep aid

    there's also diphenhydramine or dimenhydrinate. it's OTC, and a first generation antihistaminic. be catious, higher doses can result in deliriant states (hallucinations in their utmost literal meaning, not possible to tell if true or not, unlike, for example, LSD).

    the usual maximum dosis for one intake is 100mg, which converts in two 50mg tabs. take 200mg, and you should be ready to sleep withing 20 minutes. be sure to not take more to avoid deliriant states. diphenhydramine (the other one is the same, with same effects, just a stimulant mixed in and less body load) makes me SO sleepy and drowsy, he can't even fight it really.

    and, it's very cheap (be sure to take the generics, not the brands) and OTC. if You wants to give it a shot, try out ONE pill first, to test if the body load is too much for you. then two. it's an antiemetic, antihistaminic and strong sleeping aid.
     
  18. laws0n

    laws0n Silver Member

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    I have tried diphenhydramine many times, they make SWIM really tired but SWIM cant fall asleep on them and has very bad restlessness on them.

    I have an appointment with a sleep specialist in a week and is going to ask about Zolpidem, SWIM's sleeplessness is also due to being stressed, does Zolpidem give you that buzz needed to keep your mind off things inorder to get to sleep? I would like to not be benzo dependent if necessary.
     
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    yep definately watch out to not get benzo dependant. firstly, this can be lethal, as most people don't know that benzo withdrawal after prolonged use can lead to death.

    secondly, benzo withdrawal is the f**** a** hard. his father went through it. trust swim, and avoid getting benzo dependant (physically as well as psychically) at all costs.
     
  20. ojos_de_brujo

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    Zolpidem is OK. Just if you want to sleep, take it and go directly to bed.
    It does build up a tolerance, but not that quick.

    Trazodone, well, it made me sleepy, but it has some nasty side-effects. They are probably not that common, so it's worth a try.

    Definitely do not get hooked on Benzo's. I was one of those ignorant fools Henfer spoke about. Benzo's can be great for some people, if they can moderate their use, but I couldn't. From a high dose to nothing, on the weekend, it pretty damn well hurt. I didn't know benzo Withdrawals could be lethal. Someone must have been watching over Swim.