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Other - Whats your opinion on Vyvanse?

Discussion in 'Amphetamine' started by whocaresdude91, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. whocaresdude91

    whocaresdude91 Silver Member

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    So, what's everybody's opinion on Vyvanse? SWIM tried it for the first time today (60mg). Other than making sex feel good, SWIM can't say he likes it too much. It makes SWIM feel very weak and his hearth rate is up too fast. Are some of you guys in love with or feel really unforcortable on it as SWIM does.

    PS- SWIM took his Vyvanse 10 hours ago. Can he take some tramadol to ease the crash now?

    Thanks for the help.
     
  2. Keynith

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    I personally like the smooth ride you get from it. For me 60mg, is to low of a dose because i have ADD so when i do abuse it ill usually take 120+ mg. you probably can take tramadol to ease the crash although i never had a horrible crash on the stuff. be safe
     
  3. Alcoholocaust77

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    AFOAF is prescribed 50 mg/day for ADHD/social anxiety. He loves it. If he's feeling rebellious he'll take 100-150 mg when he needs to perform (not recommended, use as prescribed, folks.)

    Even from his prescribed dose he gets a pretty huge jolt. Feelsgoodman. No crash either, which is nice.
     
  4. fizzle

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    This was something I wrote in another post...

    My dog actually switched from 45mg of dextroamphetamine ER to 70mg of Vyvanse daily for about 2 months earlier this year. He wished their were an 80 or 90mg pill as he found the 70mg to be slightly lacking compared to 45mg ER.

    However, my dog found that it was more difficult to get to sleep if taken too late in the morning. He found the inherent lack of flexibility of Vyvanse to be the main drawback. He had to take it before 10am everyday or else it would be hard to get to sleep when he wanted to. Thus he switched back to the ER so he can adjust his dosing times according to his needs. He is in grad school now so he has classes that can go until 9:30pm.

    So while he originally switched to it because he wanted something that lasted longer, he found that the duration was actually a drawback. This is something to keep in mind if you are thinking about switching. You need to keep a constant wake-sleep cycle or else it will throw everything off. That is tough to do in college/grad school.

    Read more: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=167628#ixzz1cBj4Nugw
     
  5. KNiFe

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    Fizzle, I can relate to a lot of what you're mentioning related to academics at the college / graduate studies.

    I started off on Concerta, and slowly but surely transitioned to the dosing schedule that works with my classes. The Concerta was dying out after about 4 hours, so we added Focalin IR 5mg. Godsend! I had an org chem 2 lab that ended at 10:00pm and I needed an extra boost because I crashed from the Concerta. So we upped Focalin to 10mg. Godsend!

    As my classes got more.. "eclectic" ( :D ), the times were a bit goofy as Professors teaching upper-level courses (5000s) don't go by the University Schedule. Luckily for me, I haven't had many classes before noon. But the Concerta was wimping out on me and something had to be done...

    Then, there was a strange shortage of generic Focalin (dexmethylphenidate, the dextrorotatory enantiomer of methylphenidate; racemic Ritalin) somewhere somehow. Facing midterms and lab report due dates nipping at my feet, my doctor understood the urgency and was quick to write me a prescription for Dexedrine (dextroamphetamine), 10mg IR (instant-release), 3x a day. He was optimistic about it, he really thought I'd do well on it.

    Nope.. The Dexedrine was supposed to last 4-6 hours, but again, I was medicated for about 2 hours and the remainder of the time between doses, I was bouncing off the walls and just...strange. People didn't want to be my friend lol. So I told my psychiatrist over the phone, and he wrote me a prescription for Vyvanse 50mg (to be proper - Lisdexamphetamine). Guess what happens next?! ZzzzzzZZzZZZ SNOOOOZE. I was knockeddd out. I was so out of it that I had woken up, taken the Vyvanse, passed out in my bed, woke up an hour later and running late, took a second Vyvanse as if it was the first one of the day, and bam. It hit me hard. Extreme sleepiness. I was nodding off during a microbio lecture and it felt just like a Dilauded (hydromorphone) nod. I take Dilaudid for breakthrough pain and I haven't needed it in a good 6 weeks or so so it wasn't the Dilaudid.

    I dunno.. Vyvanse made me uncomfortably energetic by means of this little phenomenon called Zombievanse. I would pass out for an hour or two, and then RISE FROM THE DEAD with incredible focus, incredible motivation, incredible appetite - (it increased my appetite, especially for brainnnsss I mean chocolate.) It was great while it lasted, but it was unpredictable. It could make me pass out for an hour, and wake up feeling fine. It could impair my judgement in the early morning, and suddenly I have to go from my excellent Focalin dosing schedule to having to put the bottle away. I've never had to do that. I actually fell behind in school. I have mixed feelings towards Vyvanse.

    I'm so glad to be back on Focalin 10mg IR 3x daily. Sometimes I need the entire dose, some days my course-load is light, or I'll finish an exam, and I lay off the whole dose for a day or so. But even when I'm not engaging in academic activities, I need a medication that works when it's supposed to, does what it's supposed to do, and above all: doesn't turn me into a zombie! &(
     
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  6. Dreamland

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    SWIM's opinoin on Vyvanse is that it is his favorite stimulant ever. SWIM prefers it much over adderall. There's a special unqiueness about Vyvanse that SWIM still is trying to figure out. Vyvanse give SWIM the pleasant mood, energy, motivation, optimism, super focus, but also calms SWIM into a trance like state. Whereas Adderall makes SWIM more speedy energetic and jumpy jittery. Vyvanse is smoother cleaner. In fact, several occasions Vyvanse has made SWIM sort of in this spaced out content mindframe. Like zombied out and SWIM likes it alot. Crazy as it sounds, Vvyanse reminds SWIM sort of like MDMA in the peaceful friendly lovey dovey feel it provides. Much less taxy on the body it seems as well. By far SWIM's most preffered stimulant. SWIM wonders if there's something in vyvanse that is more serotgenic, where adderall is more adranline.
     
  7. Axiom Of Choice

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    Hi. This is my first post, so I just wanted to say "Greetings" to those reading this. I hope to enjoy sharing and gaining knowledge on this site.

    As for SWIM, he has been on AD/HD medications for about three years now. The first was Concerta and Ritalin (Methylphenidate), which simply was not strong enough NOR lasted long enough. Then he was put on Adderall IR for a long time, three times per day. While strong enough, the action from the levo-amphetamine made SWIM's heart rate skyrocket as well as his blood pressure. So after a year and a half on Adderall, he volunteered to go back to the Concerta+ Ritalin combination.

    Then SWIM read about Vyvanse, the dextro-amphetamine pro-drug. He told his psychiatrist about it and he was willing to give it a shot. SWIM has been taking Vyvanse for about six months now and has almost all positive things to say. Not only does it control his AD/HD (primarily inattentive type) symptoms, but it is quite euphoric for him, and lasts long enough as to not require extra IR meds in the afternoon.

    The only drawback is that it took him five months of 'upping' the dose to get to the right dose. He was started on 30 mg out of safety (the doctor never used the medication before me...) and moved up by 10 mg each month. Now, he takes 70 mg and it has been working great.
     
  8. Dexter_Drynn

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    My cat used some a little while ago, just 30 mg.

    It did push his heart rate too high - to the point of anxiety, actually, and he is the OPPOSITE of an anxious cat - the first couple times, but after that it normalized to ~5 BPM above his normal.

    The reason he went back to Dexedrine is two-fold:

    1) He got this strange, uneasy feeling right under my xyphoid process (the bottom of the sternum), it felt like... watery? He couldn't really explain it, it's a feeling he's had only during/after AMP-fueled partying without eating properly. Keeping a steady blood sugar level alleviates everything with Dexedrine, but it somehow didn't do so well with him for Vyvanse, no matter what he ate or how much he exercised.

    2) It's a constant level of stimulation. The peak happens at ~3 hours for my cat, and even with only 8.5 mg of d-AMP per 30 mg capsule, he was too wired to even play video games. He just had to sit there and think "holy cat-Jesus, am I ever ripped on speed right now." I think my cat may just be a pussy (no pun intended), because he's never taken a dose higher than 25 mg at once before. Well, kinda way more than that, but that's a story for another time... The point is, Dexedrine "spansules" kick in once about 20 minutes after ingestion, then again about 4 hours later. There are about 30-60 minutes of "down time" in between the 2 releases of d-AMP, which makes for a built-in study break where he can stretch, eat, relax, whatever. Vyvanse does not let up until about the 8 hour mark.

    That said, my cat preformed REMARKABLY well at a morning laboratory session, waltzing around the lab with supreme confidence and deft hands for pipetting, stirring, pouring, etc., which is crazy considering he's a cat and has no thumbs. Besides that glowing experience with Vyvanse, though, the pros/cons of the medicine's effect on my cat still put Dexedrine as the drug to beat for ADHD-inattentive type. For partying, hey, who knows? He hasn't tried it... yet.
     
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    I have to admit, I like the euphoria I get from d-amphetamine salts. Does Vyvance have any sort of euphoric effect? Does it have recreational value?
     
  10. Axiom Of Choice

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    SWIM finds Vyvanse to be incredibly euphoric. It doesn't have a big 'rush' to it, but in terms of pure good-feelings, Vyvanse can provide a solid eight hours of moderate euphoria.

    It is not able to be insufflated because to become active, the lysine must be removed from the pro-drug molecule, yielding dextro-amphetamine. This occurs because of digestive enzymes.
     
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    Thanks for letting me know! Insufflation isn't my favorite ROA with d-amphetamine lately because of the fillers. I recently tried ::blush:: plugging d-amphetamine disolved in water and filtered through a wet coffee filter. The rush and euphoria was amazing but I didn't like having to... well... put something in my butt.

    Not to get off topic!!

    I'd prefer an ADHD med that gave me all the benefits of conquering my concentration and narcoleptic issues AND euphoria without taking more than prescribed or sticking it up my ass.

    My doctor asked me if I wanted to try Vyvance but he said it's more expensive. I think I might give it a go. My appointment is on Dec 15, not long to wait to see what he says.

    I appreciate again... fast reply and an exact answer to my question!
     
  12. Axiom Of Choice

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    SWIM thinks it is an excellent medication for both euphoria AND actually treating AD/HD symptoms. SWIM has an almost complete reduction in AD/HD symptoms for about 8 hours and then a moderate reduction of symptoms for the remainder of the day even.
     
  13. Dreamland

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    Weird... but Vyvanse has been making SWIM feel too relaxed almost as if he's zombie out. SWIM laid in bed and took a nice nap on it. Woke up, felt good, horny, relaxed, focused. This is one really strange medication. SWIM doesn't get jittery shaky anxiety. Oddly SWIM like being zoned out in the twilight zone. Either SWIMs built up a tolerance or this drug does some strange action to SWIM's brain over long-term?
     
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    swim tried Vyvanse before while studying for an exam and felt like he had an irregular heart rate with it which he didnt like.
     
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    My friend notices that since Vyvanse breaks into just dextro-amphetamine, it lacks the 'in your face' nature of the 1/4 levo-amphetamine Adderall product. But in terms of actually suppression of AD/HD symptoms, my friend thinks Vyvanse is just as good as Adderall. But some patients respond better to the addition of the levo-amph in the Adderall from the wikipedia article (this fact is cited).
     
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    Hey there, my pet horse had just acquired some Vyvanse a few hours ago after hearing about it for the first time, since he needed a study aid for this week. It's been about two hours since my horse ingested a 30mg capsule, and I must say, he is enjoying it quite a bit. He took a couple of bong hits of decent bud just before ingesting, and about an hour after ingestion his mind felt much clearer and focused. Much easier to not be distracted, and he even feels pretty good. It's been a pretty steady smooth ride so far.

    So far no real complaints, he feels pretty lifted and there's even a small tingle in his nuts, which must be a good thing.
     
  17. Dreamland

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    SWIM was nodding out on Vyvanse effects kicking in this morning. Messed up totally zombie but in a focused good way. Like SWIMs mind goes into another world while time just flies. And how it has strange effects like this SWIM will never know. That calming effect on the mind. How does that happen?
     
  18. Axiom Of Choice

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    My good friend has only one complaint about Vyanse: it doesn't last long enough SOME days. See, he gets up around 5:45 am three or four days per week, but gets up at 8:30-9:00 am the other days.

    On the 8:30 am days, he will take the pill at 8:45 am and it will last until around 6:00 pm which is decent. But on the 5:45 am days, the effects run out in the early afternoon, which is bad. His AD/HD (inattentive type) flares up pretty bad around 2:30 pm and he is basically useless for getting work done. And since adult AD/HD doesn't end when the work day is done, my friend can never get any chores done at home after work. It sucks.

    But he doesn't want to have to take an extra pill in the afternoon since the whole point of Vyanse is once-per-day dosing. He is going to discuss this with his psychiatrist as well as his therapist. Perhaps his therapist will have some lifestyle changes that my friend can tweak to make things work.

    Overall, my friend really thinks this drug is great for treating AD/HD. It may not be incredibly euphoric, but my friend still finds it pretty euphoric. His Suboxone and Effexor take care of his treatment-resistant depressive symptoms though. He tried to just use AD/HD stimulants for depression awhile back, but it didn't work very well. However, his current regimen all synergizes well together.
     
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    Can anybody tell me if this is strange or abnormal? My parrot took a 30mg this morning, about 13 hours ago, and he is still feeling the effects, if not at full effect then still pretty close. He is trying to get some sleep now since he has to be up early tomorrow, or should he just stay up all night? Is it strange for just 30mg to last this long? Also he is pretty small, about 130lbs, which I figure would affect that.
     
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    SLOW onset-usually 1 hour-2 hours, more like 2 hours, and it wears off well before it's supposed to. The good thing is that you never notice when you're coming off it--no crash like Adderall--but it seems to only last 3 hours or so after peak (declines very slowly after peaking at 3.5 hours). It's supposed to last 12 hours. When it peaks the high is better than Adderall, but at least that stuff lasts as long as it's supposed to.

    Very expensive compared to Adderall IR as well. I think the optimal solution is Vyvanse in the morning with supplemental Adderall IR in the afternoon when the Vyvanse starts wearing off.