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Where do you get DMT?

Discussion in 'DMT and Ayahuasca' started by Shroomerite42, Mar 9, 2004.

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  1. Shroomerite42

    Shroomerite42 Newbie

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    I've asked around and no one I've talked to seems to even heard of it, and I really want some!
  2. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    116 y/o from The Netherlands
    For DMT containing plants, see the sources forum. Do not ask for sources here.

    Do not ask for DMT itself, because it is illegal and therefore asking for it will get you banned.
  3. dunkelheit

    dunkelheit Newbie

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    DMT is rare because it's not the kind of experience that appeals to everyone and it's not the kind of thing you do often. Keep asking around, eventually you'll find a friend of a friend who has it.
  4. dr ACE

    dr ACE Titanium Member

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    5meo-dmt is a related compound which is much easier to find,and much more potent.the effects are said to be like an elephant sitting on your face,sounds really scary not for the weak at heart thats for sure
  5. madP

    madP Newbie

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    i was given 5meo once which was called real dmt. it felt like white-noise-rapture covering all the senses. rather paralyzing.

    heads these days assume that white colored dmt is synthetic (5meo) and that yellow-tinged dmt is natural (straight dmt).

    of course if you extract yours from mimosa hostilis root bark
    (preferred) using the nice methods described at dmt.lycaeum.org and
    recrystallize from hexane you can make bright white natural dmt
    crystals that everyone will accuse of being synthetic.

    real dmt is the most beautiful and terrifying drug on the planet. damn good medicene indeed.
  6. Dualpower

    Dualpower Silver Member

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    I realize this is an old thread, but DMT containing plants are legally
    available and thus their vendors are not prone to the amount of
    scamming the other quasi-legal drugs and analogs on the net tend to
    fall towards.

    Or so a rat, who just crawled out of my wall, told me...
  7. HippieD9

    HippieD9 Gold Member

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    I'd probably have to recommend that one tries ayahuasca first before even thinking about smoking DMT. Get used to it's gentler side first, DMT is like getting hit in the head by a psychadelic bat. I don't know your history, but be careful screwing with this one, it'll screw you back if you're not prepared.


  8. PYITE

    PYITE Newbie

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    syrian rue is one natural MAOI
  9. AZMEO

    AZMEO Newbie

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    Mocloemide works... But I would not recommend it. It make the whole thing seem plastic. Go natural
  10. GDxCAT

    GDxCAT Titanium Member

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    Moclobemide has actually become quite a popuar substitute for harmala alkaloids.

    As to the original question. Its highly unlikely you will find DMT
    unless you extract it yourself or know some one that does this.
  11. ChemicallyBound

    ChemicallyBound Gold Member

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    Harmaline is not scheduled in US as far as I know.My dogordered it a long time ago from Sigma, not personally of course.

    My dog took 200mg dissolved in just enough weak HCL orally.

    in about 30-40 min. very nauseating, unable to stand any light hardly, bright blue flashes of CEV's , definitely trippy in a head -sick sort of way

    don't recommend
  12. Eirias

    Eirias Newbie

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    Some plants that contain MAOIs like harmaline include Syrian Rue
    (Peganum harmala), passion flower (Passiflora incarnata--sp?),
    Diploteris caberana (but with several other alkaloids including
    tryptamines in potentially active amounts ), and of course
    Banisteriopsis caapi and other Banisteriopsis species.

    I'm surprised about the Canadian scheduling of harmaline, but
    regardless of the chemical's regulation, plants containing it or related
    MAOI alkaloids should be unrestricted (unless the plant species is
    specifically listed in the legislation, it is not considered a
    controlled substance). Of these I've listed, Syrian rue is the most
    potent (a crystalline extract can be derived without too much
    difficulty), followed by the Banisteriopsis ssp., and with passion
    flower a somewhat distant third. I didn't include the Diploteris
    because it contains so many additional active alkaloids that it's not
    really a good candidate for an MAOI potentiation source. In fact, it's
    almost like ayahuasca all in one plant.

    Be sure to take it easy on the Syrian rue, especially an extract. It
    is quite easy to overshoot the mark with MAOIs (200mg. of harmaline as
    mentioned above or 3+ grams of powdered Syrian rue is far too much
    IMO), exceeding an effective enzyme-inhibiting dose to the point where
    the psychoactivity of the MAOIs themselves are tainting or overpowering
    the experience, sometimes even encouraging nausea and sedation.

    IMO 1 to 1.5 grams of powerdered Syrian rue for a 150 lb. person is
    plenty to achieve enzyme inhibition (taken approx. 30 min. before the
    DMT or other entheogen to be potentiated is consumed, and any amount
    much greater than that and one experiences nausea and sedation. For
    pure harmine/harmaline HCl, a "smear"/"bump" on the tongue about 1/2
    cm. in diameter and less than 1mm. thick is sufficient for MAO
    inhibition. I apologize for the inexactness of the measurement, it's
    probably somewhere around 10-20 mg. Passion flower seems to be rather
    weak and although a cup of the tea or a dietary supplement type of the
    encapsulated herb ingested produces calm and relaxation, I imagine that
    to inhibit one's enzymes enough to ensure an ayahuasca-like effect that
    either a very potent extract or an unreasonably large amount of the
    plant material would have to be consumed. I have no personal
    experience with the Banisteriopsis species as an MAOI.

    In regard to the 5-MeO/n,n-DMT mix-ups, I touched upon this in
    another post in the DMT section. DMT is illegal and thus more rare vs.
    5-MeO being unscheduled and also more potent, the two subtances have
    similar names and are administered in a similar fashion, people are out
    for profits, etc. The important thing is the difference in active dose
    and the subjective effects of the two substances. Be careful and know
    your source.

    DMT is a unique and powerful substance, and although it is sometimes
    touted as the ultimate experience of consciousness, and greatly sought
    after by some, it is definitely "not for everyone" and certainly not
    the type of recreational drug that any "dealer" would have. When I was
    younger I used to fantasize that my cannabis dealer somehow had access
    to a drug black market posessing any illicit psychedelic I could think
    of, and I would pester the hell out of him by regularly asking of they
    could "hook up" things like peyote, DMT, yopo, STP, or anything else I
    had read was psychedelic. I just assumed that if it was illegal and
    psyhcoactive, taht it could be "scored" somehow (isn't that what all
    the drug war propaganda tends to imply?)

    DMT is just one of those things that is both rare and novel and as a
    result it is often only encountered in the circles of "in-the-know"
    entheogen conneiseurs. I do agree however that you have a better
    chance of finding these "entheophiles" and the substances they
    appreciate at festivals such as Autonomous Mutant, Burning Man, Rainbow
    Gatherings, Goa or PsyTrance outdoor parties/festivals, or some of the
    concert tours mentioned above. Of course, conferences such as
    MindStates, Entheobotany seminars, or any other events focused around
    entheogens, shamanism, and alternate states of consciousness are
    densely populated with people who probably know about such things as

    But in spite of this, one of the oddest things about DMT is its
    majickal, synchronistic quality-- it can and often does suddenly appear
    when and where you least expect it, but somehow it seems to come into
    one's hands when he or she is "ready" for the experience. Perhaps DMT
    is not as available as other things because it's not "meant" to be so,
    and it's the "entities/elves" whom are in control of when you shall
    meet one another...
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  13. Dualpower

    Dualpower Silver Member

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    Actually, not the case. Plants do not have to be specifically named in
    Canada to be illegal. From the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
    (first couple pages actually .. )


    Actually .. according to this mushroom spores are technically illegal. [​IMG]
  14. Eirias

    Eirias Newbie

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    I will not go so far as to say you are wrong, but what you have
    referenced above still does not explicitly imply that such a plant is
    illegal. Furthermore, I assume that mescaline is listed by
    name as a controlled substance in Canada, along with "its salts,
    isomers-" blah blah. Yet the peyote cactus (Lophophora
    williamsii) as well as other mescaline-containing cacti are not
    prohibited and are in fact available from Canadian ethnobotanical
    suppliers (which will of course not be named here). The same
    example holds true for n,n-DMT and plants such as Mimosa hostilis and
    Psychotria viridis. In fact, I recall on ethnobotanical outlet in
    Canada that had "ayahuasca herbs" that were sold together which
    consisted of Psychotria viridis and Banisteriopsis caapi (!), which has
    harmine and harmaline as its active components.

    My interpretation of the legislation you have quoted (I am not a lawyer) is as follows:

    (b) a reference to a controlled substance includes a reference to

    (i) all synthetic and natural forms of the substance

    -- This refers to the origin of the substance in and of itself, not the
    product of origin per se (i.e. synthetic, lab-made DMT is considered
    the same as purified, extracted DMT, regardless of their seperate

    (ii) any thing that contains or has on it a controlled substance and that is used or intended or designed for use

    (A) in producing the substance, or

    (B) in introducing the substance into a human body.

    The "and" is very important here, because it qualifies the
    definition. This means that you could theoretically be prosecuted
    for a resinated hash pipe, because it not only "has on it" THC residue
    but ALSO "is used or intended or designed for use in (B) introducing it
    into a human body. The same case could be made if you had a knife
    that was used to scrape opium from poppy seedpods, in that it 1) has on
    it a controlled substance (opium), and 2) is intended or designed
    for use in (A) producing a controlled substance. (ii) is
    qualified only when criteria for (A) OR (B) is also met; (A) and (B) do
    not both have to be met

    What this is getting at is that INTENT is key. Studies
    have shown that there are detectable amounts of cocaine on 90% of
    circulating US currency, and also that all human beings posess
    detectable amount of DMT as a metabolic component, excreted in the
    urine. But because neither the currency or the bodies/urine are
    INTENDED for using or produsing the drug, they would not be explicity
    illegal. However, both could theoretically be considered illegal
    by the US law defining of possesion of a controlled substance
    illegal if found "in any amount", which presumably would include these
    absurd examples.

    The same argument is used for research chemicals, which are
    ALWAYS sold and purchased "not for human consumption", for if they were
    sold or packaged in such a manner as to imply beyond a reasonable doubt
    that they WERE in fact intended for human consumption, then they become
    de facto controlled substances.

    The only part of the definition which may in fact support your argument that I can see is:

    (a) a reference to a controlled substance includes a reference to any substance that contains a controlled substance; and

    It depends upon whether a plant is considered a "substance" per
    se, and if because the "and" is there after a semicolon, if parts (a)
    and (b) of the definition are co-dependent or are mutally exclusive
    (i.e. are they 2 seperate parameters that define what a controlled
    substance includes, or are they both part of one singular definition
    that is dependent on both criteria to be filled in order to be
    considered a valid definition.)

    Based on the examples I have given of peyote and the other
    plants, I am ASSUMING (I am NOT a lawyer) that this Canadian law is
    enforced and interpreted in a similar fashion to the American
    controlled substance analog laws. This means that if a plant or
    animal that is not explicitly named in the legislation contains a
    controlled substance, but does not demonstrate that it is intended 1)
    for the production of a controlled substance, 2) to enter the
    human body (i.e. for human consumption), and 3) to be used as a
    controlled substance in and of itself, then the plant or animal in
    question is NOT considered a controlled substance.

    It's good that you are paying attention to the letter of the
    law-- things like this can bite you in the ass when you least expect
    it. But I'll bet that any plants that are obviously prohibited in
    Canada (non-hemp cannabis being one) that they are explcitly listed in
    the legislation. This is the case in the US with Cannabis sativa
    and indica, Erythroxylon(sp?) coca, Lophophora wiliamsii, Tabernanthe
    iboga, and Catha edulis. The wording even contains further
    definitions like "the roots, seeds, stem, foliage, etc., of the plant",
    so as not to allow any room for loopholes.
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  15. BEEKSc1

    BEEKSc1 Iridium Member

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    i think i am going to smoke Anadenanthera seed,baking soda yopo blend, but i want to smoke it inmy vaporizer. will thealkaloids be activated by the vap primarely used for cannabis?
  16. MegaLab420

    MegaLab420 Newbie

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    No one is willing to pay the *** a gram that it demands. People don't realize the hard work that goes into synthesising this compund. Sure, there are easy cheap ways to go about, but it usually requires more risky aquisitions, and then theres the more expensive, less risky ways to make it, but either way you must understand it is work, and to get a product you are proud to call your own, you put in time, and time is ..... MONEY

    Pay up if you want to party. More people would make DMT available if it was worth their while.

    SWIM at one point in time made a shit load of DMT and it took his cronie forever to move it, mainly because people only wanted to buy a dose, not a gram. People didn't know what it was, so why would they drop 250.00 hard earned dollars on something they are not sure they would like.

    Personally, I love the drug to death. Nothing beats a huge hit of dmt, holding it as long as you can, then uncontrollably falling back on your bed while your lover gives you head. It's as if you are seriously NOT THERE. The colors, the neon lights, the designs, the patterns, all hitting you like a ten ton heavy thing. Were talkin the best of the best here, but of course, the down side, it only lasts a good 15 minutes, and then you need to smoke again to reach the same plateau...

    Some can't afford financially to smoke more, some can..

    Some can't afford to mentally smoke more, some can.

    Me myself, heh, if only the little lady could hang as long as I could, I would party with it till the cows come home, but she usually wigs after 2 hours of use and it kills the trip and the blow jobs stop, and of course, the blow jobs make the experience 10x more interesting...
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  17. wapcaplet

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    I've heard tell that Harmala and Harmaline can produce Parkinson's
    disease in high intravenous doses. I'd avoid Syrian Rue and its ilk as
    recreational items, unless in ahyahuasca.

    On 5MEO-DMT and DMT:

    Both are naturally occuring substances. DMT is actually in your body
    right now. I don't think that 5MEO-DMT appears in human physiology,

    Has anyone attempted to extract DMT from Canary grass? TihKal has a
    nice little chapter on DMT in natural sources, and in there it lists
    Canary grass as a heavy bearer of the substance.
  18. Eirias

    Eirias Newbie

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    Fuck-- Haven't posted for a few weeks.. new internet connection, etc. anyways..

    There was a lot of hype a few years back in regard to the
    potential for reed canary grass as well as other Phalaris species (P.
    aquatica, P. arundinacea) being both widespread and easily accessible
    sources of DMT and possibly 5-MeO as well. This was largely due
    to claims printed in Jim DeKorne's "Psychedelic Shamanism" book that
    described the author's experience smoking some Phalaris extract and how
    easy it was to find and prepare etc., etc.. His "discovery" was
    actually derived from a scientific journal article on the matter by the
    Italian ethnobotanist Giorgio Samorini (sp?), who experimented with
    some Phalaris extracts as "pharmahuascas" and experienced powerful
    subjective results.

    All this hype instigated a lot of interest and subsequent
    attempts by lay researchers to replicate the experiments using
    phalaris. Unfortunately it seems that phalaris is a very
    unreliable source of DMT and/or 5-MeO due to a myriad of factors
    affecting the plant's endogenous production and concentration of the
    alkaloids in question (light, strain, soil, pH, available nitrogen,
    harvest time, "stressing" the plant, part(s) of plant with greatest
    alkakoidal concentration, etc.). Even with the supposedly most
    "potent" strain being carefully cultivated and harvested for maximum
    alkaloid production, the results were sporadic and unpredictable at
    best, even amongst "professional" entheogen researchers.

    Once it was found that Mimosa hostilis root bark was an
    abundant, potent, and consistent source of almost exclusively DMT
    (versus a mix of alkaloids), and could be easily extracted (rootbark is
    much, much easier to work with compared to a fibrous, stalky grass such
    as phalaris BTW), phalaris has all but been forgotten. Speaking
    from SWIM's experience, I can say that I wasted more than enough
    time and $$ trying to make phalaris work, and the only benefit might
    have been that SWIM discouraged some reckless individuals from delving
    into such things as entheogenic plant extraction who probably shouldn't
    be doing so upon them witnessing SWIM's glaring failures with Phalaris.

    I also agree that obtaining DMT via synthesis or even through
    extraction is a bit of a chore, but is helps to "weed out" those whom
    are searching for nothing but a novelty high. It will come to
    those who are at a point where thay are ready to receive it.

    In regard to the Anadenanthera seed pod vaporization, I can't
    speak from experience, but the primary psychoactive alkaloid that
    you'll be dealing with here is 5-HO-DMT, aka bufotenine, and not
    n,n-DMT or 5-MeO-DMT, and preparing the plant material with a weak base
    (like baking soda or potash) should convert the bufotenine into a
    smokeable freebase. 5-HO-DMT is active when vaporized and inhaled
    (see J. Ott's thorough experiements on the matter), but I don't know at
    what temperature it vaporizes or if your particular cannabis vaporizer
    gets that hot. One possibilty might be to look up the vapor point
    (probably the BP or boiling point) of freebase bufotenine and then if
    you know how hot your vaporizer goes, compare and see for yourself if
    it'll work. Even still, working with the basified plant material
    rather that the pure compound may produce difficulties, and the
    traditional route of insufflatiing the pulverized seedpods may be
    preferable in pursuing psychoactive effects.
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  19. Eirias

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    Also, I believe that 5-MeO-DMT is found in the human body in
    trace amonts, along with n,n-DMT, and it may have specific reseptor
    sites in the nervous system, but I am not positive.

    In regard to the harmaline producing Parkinsonian symptoms, I
    think there may be some confusion here. In around 1986, an
    improperly synthesized batch of a merperidine (Demerol) analog known as
    MPTP appeared on the streets and was being sold as a type of synthetic
    heroin or "China White". Victims of the substance experienced a
    rapid onset of Parkinson's-like symptoms from the contaminants, and a
    wave of hysteria swept the media about the horrors of "designer drugs"
    that helped to eventually establish the Controlled Substances Analog
    Act, which was then used as propaganda to target MDMA.

    In TIHKAL, Dr. Shulgin talks about how although unfortunate the
    side-effects of the MPTP were, that they vastly improved our
    understanding of how Parkinson's disease works, and that several
    improved medications were created to treat the illness as a
    result. Furthermore, since the mechanism of action of some of
    these new found anti-Parkinson's drugs is similar in nature to some
    effects of various beta-carbolines like harmine and harmaline, he
    speculated that one of the b-carbolines could potentailly be an
    effective treatment for Parkinson's disease.

    This is my understanding of the matter. If you have a
    reference for the I.V. administration of harmaline causing Parkinson's
    disease, please post it so we can clear things up. :)
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  20. BEEKSc1

    BEEKSc1 Iridium Member

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    damn busting out the info, yea i hadn't thought about base-ifying the mixture to convert the 5-ho-dmt into asmokable form, i just don't want to try the traditional ways of administering the blend (taking it to the dome) bc that would probably rip my nose apart.
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