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Opinions - White Heroin vs. Brown Heroin?

Discussion in 'Heroin' started by whocaresdude91, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. whocaresdude91

    whocaresdude91 Silver Member

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    I recently obtained white heroin powder that is supposedly 70% pure. I have been using these past couple of days (SWIM insulffates the Heroin powder) and feels that this Heroin makes him extremely nauseas and gives him a headache (can you believe that? Heroin giving you a friggin headache??). Today, SWIM obtained brown heroin powder that is supposedly not as good quality, but provides him with a nicer, cleaner, no nausea, high. What's your opinion? Do you guys find that brown heroin tends to be better than white? Why is the white heroin giving SWIM nausea while the brown doesn't tend to do that?

    Thanks for the help!
     
  2. LoveNwar

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    Well, if you are doing that for the first times, nausea is normal. Brown or white, it's always impossible to tell wich is stronger since they both reach the streets heavily cut (but white is the normal color of heroin, so, if uncut, that's the purer version).
     
  3. Ol'Timer

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    Although white is traditionally thought of has #4 (HCL) and brown #3 (base) there are sometimes batches of cream/grey/brown #4 or even very pale #3.

    You really cannot inter too much simply from the colour.
     
  4. Solinari

    Solinari Titanium Member

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    Agreed with the above.

    Proper brown heroin (sometimes referred to as H3) is heroin base as mentioned and as such requires an acid in order for it to dissolve in water, because of this my fiend thinks that it is a waste to snort it since it won't be readily absorbed by the mucus membranes. White heroin ("H4") is already in the hydrochloride salt form which means it requires no acid to dissolve in water (the refining process involves adding hydrochloric acid hence the name heroin hydrochloride) and will easily be absorbed by the mucus membranes.

    Brown heroin base (H3) is better smoked than snorted and while white heroin (H4) can also be smoked, it doesn't "run" on tin foil nearly as well as brown and by all accounts (my fiend has very little experience with proper white heroin, only used it once and it was smoked and injected) snorting white heroin 4 is very effective. My fiends guess is that snorting H4 is better than smoking.

    I don't know for sure if brown heroin isn't absorbed when snorted, it is purely my guess based on what my fiend has told me. He thinks it would be better to smoke brown than snort it and thinks that snorting it is a waste.

    Ol'Timer is correct in saying that you can't really say for sure if it is definitely proper brown just by the colour, the only way to know for sure would to see if it dissolves in water without an acid (ie without citric acid or ascorbic acid aka Vitamin C). High quality white heroin hydrochloride should dissolve on contact with water or with, at the very least, a small amount of heat. Brown will not dissolve AT ALL in water alone, it will just mix in to a cloudy brownish colour (see Citric/Heroin Reaction to see what it looks like).

    As for the headaches well, that is odd. My fiends guess would be that the headache could be caused by an adulterant, in fact that is almost certainly the case because heroin should NOT be causing a headache.

    The nausea, as already mentioned is completely normal but since it was mentioned that the brown doesn't cause nausea while the white stuff does then this leads me to suspect it is again the cut (adulterant) in this white stuff that is causing both the headache and severe nausea.
     
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  5. Qualityplant

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    I love good quality brown cos I like smoking it. I like the taste, the ritual, making a tooter etc. Snorting it lacks the ritual for me so I wouldn't prefer it
     
  6. Ol'Timer

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    I believe the colour of the finished product is down to an added process of 'bleaching' the heroin, rather than being a biproduct of the production step that renders the heroin water soluble.
    Making heroin water soluble (#4/HCL) does not cause it to become white. This is why non-white #4 is sometimes available. Whereas cream/brown/grey coloured heroin is sometimes capable of dissolving without citric/ascorbic acid.

    This is my own opinion and could be wrong but I started to ponder this point after reading about the arrival of white morphine (in the 1830s - I think?). Many were suspicious of accepting it as they were accustomed to morphine being brown.
    The new stock was white simply because chemists had added an extra step to the process of production. Chemically bleaching the colour out to achieve the end product of pure white powder.

    Opium and the People: Opiate Use and Policy in 19th and Early 20th Century Britain
    Virginia Berridge.
     
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    interesting read...


    The Quality of Opium

    The fact that all opium is not created equally complicates the assessment of opium economics. The nature of the opium itself varies since the alkaloids of opiu, occur in different proportions according to soil, climate, rainfall, and the strain of poppy. These alkaloids may be divided into two categories: phenanthrene alkaloids (morphine, codeine, thebaine) and benzylisoquinoline alkaloids (narcotine, papaverine, narceine). Only thie former include the strong analgesics that are controlled internationally (United Nations, 1967: 43). Since the natural product varies widely and the production of morphine and heroin employs a batch process capable of much variation , heroin samples inevitably differ.

    Heroin is made after morphine is first produced. The latex of the poppy is scraped off incised unripe poppy capsules and then treated with lime and water to produce morphine in solution. To this, ammonium chloride is added, causing the precipitation of a morphine base. The morphine base is then processed into diacetyl morphine, which, according to the four-level classification of heroin, is called No.1 heroin. Following the neutralization of this mixture with sodium carbonate, crude heroin base (No. 2 heroin) precipitates. This is then purified to produce heroin hydrochloride (No. 3 heroin). Following the addition of ether, No. 4 heroin results. No. 3 heroin, as made in Southeast Asia, is brownish white, hard and granular. Twenty-five percent of all heroin is heroin hydrochloride. Many chemists in Burma add approximately 40 percent caffeine to this form. No. 4 is a nearly odorless, fine white powder and is over 90 percent heroin. It is used mainly by injection. Opium alkaloids can also be extracted from poppy straw, but it appears that this is not done in Burma.

    When opium is refined into heroin, much of opium's medical value is lost, Although morphine (deacetylmorphine) remains in heroin, other opium alkaloids such as codeine (a cough suppressant), papaverine (a muscle relaxant), and narceine (an atispasmodic) are lost.

    Dilutants and adulterants are often added to No. 3 heroin, which was first prepared as a smoking heroin. Dilutants, which do not have pharmacological activity, increase the bulk and, in turn, the seller's profit. A common dilutant in Southeast Asia is sugar. Conversely, adulterants are substances with pharmacological activity. Some, such as quinine, conceal the lack of heroin hydrochloride. Others, such as barbital and caffeine, are added to make the heroin more suitable for smoking. Another substance found in small quantities in heroin is strychnine, the physiological results of which are uncertain. Most No. 3 heroin is brown, but one particular kind, "red chicken," is dyed red and includes barbiral. Sometimes, adulterants and dilutants can cause serious side effects.

    Because of such variations, it is difficult to determine the amount of opium used to produce a given amount of heroin. Although great variations occur among samples from various areas and different years, a rule of thumb is that 10 kilograms of opium yield 1 kilogram of heroin.

    A sample of crude opium from the Shan States was tested in 1959 and found to contain an average of 11 percent morphine and 2.8 percent thebaine (Falck and Nordal, 1963: 2). Compared to opium produced elsewhere, this is rather high. Indian opium, by contrast, has only 7.4 percent morphine. Opium in Europe has higher concentrations; morphine content in samples from Yugoslavia have been measured as high as 14.7 percent and from France as high as 20 percent.

    Furthermore, once the opium is processed into morphine (although the morphine content is a fixed biogenetic and chemical quality), moisture content affects estimates. The moisture content of opium, which can range from 25 to 46 percent, is an important variable. The previously listed figures, however, are for dried (anhydrous) opium (United Nations, 1967: 12, 32-33). Not all production calculation has been done in terms of dried opium, which is part of the reason why opium estimates vary so astonishingly.

    http://www.hangoverguide.com/factbook/opi_burma.html

     
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  8. Ol'Timer

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    Chopmow quote "This is then purified to create Heroin hydrochloride (No 3 Heroin)".
    Heroin Hydrochloride is water soluble No 4 heroin.
    That is the difference between #3 and #4. Whether it has been rendered into a hydrocloride 'salt' to become water soluble.

    I have also read that BROWN #3 (Heroin base) is brown due to the amount of raw opium still present and the lack of a manufacturing step that bleaches out the colour to ensure a uniform colour (white).
     
  9. Mañana

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    The strange thing is, ALL Heroin can be snorted! Not only do the doctors at the free clinic confirm this, sometimes (I LOVE SNORTING) my batch of lab tested very pure and uncut white Heroin #4 is all snorted away before my provider has a new batch, so sometimes I need to help myself with brown Heroin #3, which the lab confirms it's a base, not a salt as my usual #4 is, still I snort it and I do need a little more, but not that much, I do get high by snorting base Heroin... Nodding off, euphoria, full body orgasm, for hours and hours, even up to the point I'm falling asleep. This is very strange because normally a base will not be absorbed by the nasal membrane ergo it should not be able to enter the blood stream by snorting, yet it does and it does so very very well (in contrary to Crack-Cocaine for example, the base-form Cocaine of the salt Cocaine powder: snorting Crack gives no effect whatsoever....), I've been looking for an answer as to why Heroin base can be snorted and gives a very intens high while you need not that much more Heroin in comparison to H4, the only answer I can come up with when I think it through, is that Heroin base get's absorbed by the nasal membrane because Heroin powder is so fine, so light weighted and with fine I mean that the powder is almost like dust, while even Cocaine salt is way more heavy and when chopped up is much thicker and less fine than Heroin powder chopped up - but this is only a guess and even if this would play a role, it doesn't feel like a complete answer, not satisfactory! Does anyone know why a Heroin base can be snorted while normally a base can't be snorted and I just snort my Heroin base (the few times I need to turn to brown Heroin, which I think is far beneath white heroin or H4 when it comes to quality, H4 IS SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY (or is there someone who does not agree with this opinion or mine, I would be interested in knowing so!)! GRTZ, and I hope someone can finally give me the answer as to why EVERY type, sort, form,.. of Heroin can be snorted without any problem, even Heroin-base!
     
  10. California.sweet.mommy

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    Replying to above manana... brown heaven smoker but is also curious as to why snorting base could make her feel better/higher than ever when she smokes. Never had injected because she is scared of needles and it's just nasty in her opinion
     
  11. Mañana

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    Yes, I get way more high from snorting than basing as well (smoking)... But nobody seems to know the answer... I really would like to know, I started a thread about this but only a few answers and nobody could give any answer, let alone in plural... :)

    I do know that white Heroin nr. 4 does take the top and none is better, but I guess a salt will always be more easily absorbed through sniffing what would get you more quick and more intense high, normally white Heroin nr. 4 should be the purest and most clean (none to almost none cut) type/form/... of Heroin that is available... Needles are actually not that big a difference, already years ago I did try for a while shooting up, not with the intention to keep doing so, but just because I had to know what it was all about; it should be the greatest feeling ever - so I did experiment with shooting up some H, some C and some Speedballs (or like we say Fireballs), C + H at the same time...

    The difference is really not that big, it's just because when Heroin became popular, the Heroin being sold was black Tar, so people started injecting on a large scale, when you have high quality nr. 4 you will be high and euphoric enough and it's not worth destroying your body with needles.

    Grtz.
     
  12. California.sweet.mommy

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    Not only can I barely hold composure while watching a person inject .. I have known way too many people who lost everything including those lives due to injecting ... also even if they don't die they could get a super gross infection!! No thanks I'm kinda a Barbie and don't want the "evidence " known to every person who cross my path
     
  13. Mañana

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    Me neither, just a sniffie will do the trick for me :)