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Culture - Why is Rohypnol cursed as "the date rape drug" and banned in the US?

Discussion in 'Benzodiazepines' started by Stimulants, Feb 28, 2009.

  1. Stimulants

    Stimulants Gold Member

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    Some articles describe Rohypnol as a scary, dangerous drug being "ten times stronger than diazepam" simply because 1mg is equivalent to 10mg diazepam.
    In the same context, it would make Klonopin and Xanax 20 times stronger than diazepam.

    All that means is that a proper dosage is different, not that the drug is any stronger when taken in a proper dosage.

    Flunitrazepam is not particular soluble in water or diluted alcohol, like most other benzodiazepines. Like the rest of them, it causes sedation that is amplified when used in conjunction with alcohol.

    So, I would think that any sedative hypnotic can be used as a date rape drug... so why are they singling out Rohypnol and banning its use in the US?

    So, is the ban based on public perception, or are there pharmacological characters of Rohypnol that is unique from all the other benzos?
     
  2. tyranny4u

    tyranny4u Newbie

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    Flunitrazepam is halogenated at a certain position of the molecule, which
    makes it a very potent drug. Furthermore BD that are halogenated at the
    phenyle ring tend to be more amnesic and the sedative effects will be
    stronger.

    Flunitrazepam derives from Nimetazepam, Nimetazepam derives from Nitra-
    zepam.

    i try to explain with that picture SWIM made:

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    Nitrazepam, which is a not so potent hypnotic becomes more sedative
    when a CH3 group is attached (red check). the new substance is Nime-
    tazepam (Erimin). Nimetazepam is a bit more potent, but when the mo-
    lecule gets halogenated with fluorine (blue check) it becomes a very
    strong hypnotic.
    Another example is Alprazolam <-> Triazolam. Alprazolam gets halogenated
    at the same position (with chloride), and now you have Triazolam, one of
    the most potent hypnotics.

    Using fluorine for halogenating BD is very uncommon, i don't know any
    other BD which is halogenated with fluorine at the phenyl group from all
    the BD that are on the market.
     
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  3. Stimulants

    Stimulants Gold Member

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    I believe Quazepam contains fluorine as well.

    What would be a chlorinated derivative of nimetezepam with the methyl group? clonazepam is chlorinated nitrazepam, but I don't think I've seen a nimetezepam with chlorine.
     
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  4. tyranny4u

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    yes, you are right. Quazepam is a very special BD in it's structure:
    Sulphur instead of Oxygene near first N in the ring.
    Where many BD's have a methylene group or simply Hydrogenium
    there is an ethylene group which has 3 Fluorine atomes bound to the
    second Carbone.
    SWIM never got his hands on this, seems not to be a common one...
    SWIM really would like to try this one, just like some other exotic
    BD :)
     
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    davestate Gold Member

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    Is it also because it is very soluble in water, unlike most benzos?
     
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    SmokeRings Newbie

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    Man, I used to get handfulls of this stuff in the early 90's, she sure did love the stuff! SWIM certainly had her fair share of blackouts on the stuff, but it was always self-induced. Apparently she was completely awake, alert and having a good ole time too, from what her friends told her!
    Unfortunately slimebags in America began to slip it into people's drinks at bars and clubs and it quickly became someone's mission to ban the substance. I have no idea who, if she'd take a second to google it, she could probably tell ya!
    She always quite enjoyed it, although there were a few blackouts that kind of scared her, waking up in a strange place is no fun! Luckily I was never victim (that she knows of, hahaha) of sexual assault during an accidental overdose (to SWIM, a blackout is an OD).
    SWIM imagines she'd still partake if it were available here! A moment of silence for our friend, Rohypnol...;)
     
  7. tyranny4u

    tyranny4u Newbie

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    In Japan there is fluorinated Prazepam on the market, SWIM guess this Stuff is da
    sh*t!

    info:
    h**p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutoprazepam
     
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    Stimulants Gold Member

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    Midazolam
    Yet another fluorinated BZD, and it is polar, and water soluble.
     
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    OsCarwild Newbie

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    um its considered the date rap drug cause a a lot of people use it to rape girls since it strongly sedates them and makes them lose their inhibitions.
     
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    It's a benzodiazepine. Sedative hypnotic property is not something exclusive to Rohypnol. The #1 date rape drug is alcohol.

    I don't think it has anything to do with the pharmacological properties, but politics.
     
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    yes, because it is Midazolam HCl, a Salt, while almost any other BD don't
    are salts.
     
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    because especially flunitrazepam mixed with alcohol leads often to "blackouts", I mean amnesia....
     
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    Any BZDs and/or alcohol in sufficient quantity will lead to amnesia.
    GHB wasn't really illegal until recently, and only after it made the media, so it was politics that banned it.
     
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    Yes thats true.... but in superior cases it is Flunitrazepam, especially if mixed with alc.

    The possibility to get amnesia even at low-doses Fluni + alc is higher than with the most Benzos + alk or Benzo monoconsume.
     
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    So does flunitrazepam differ much (in effects) from alprazolam? Alprazolam is highly amnesic and it has been known to be dropped into drinks (as a date rape drug). However, SWIM doubts it will ever be banned... too many Americans take it :)
     
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    SWIM's boyfriend took over ten "roofies" to get high and ended up stabbing himself in the chest with a 10inch hunting knife after crashing his car into a pile of rocks. The wound resulted in a punctured and collapsed lung and him spending almost a week in the hospital.

    He doesn't remember anything after taking the rohypnol...

    I took one of the pills prior to the incident with her boyfriend and didn't feel she took enough to feel any effects.
     
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    yes, flunitrazepam effects are mainly hypnotic while alprazolam is an
    anxiolytic drug.
     
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    tt didn't like to edit his post above, cause he wanted to write an extra
    posting about the question that the threadstarter has put in the title.

    personally tt doesn't believe in the "date rape story". why?
    Rohypnol and Flunitrazepam generics just were responsible for many (yes,
    many) deaths of heroin junkies and methadone patients. when the bar-
    biturates weren't prescribed anymore, flunitrazepam was one of the
    strongest substances to give junkies an extra strong feeling of being
    "spaced out". too many people died because of consuming a strong opiate
    plus flunitrazepam plus alcohole. but that wasn't written in the news-
    papers, to not give <Roche> a bad reputation. Sure, the date rape thing
    also had it's part in the story, but never was the main reason.
    spontaneously tt could tell five substances that are not so hard to get
    and being perfect as a date rape drug, as well. some of them even
    better than flunitrazepam.
    when flunitrazepam hit the german street scene, especially in the sum-
    mer, it was absurd to see people trying to walk, stumbling every third
    step, falling into the broken glass of their own beer bottle.
    that was why roche and manufacturers reduced the dosage from 2 mg
    per pill to 1 mg per pill, otherwise rohypnol would have been scheduled
    the same class as opiates, cocaine and amphetamine in germany.
    tt personally knew 2 people dying of an OD, flunitrazepam was invol-
    ved. and one girl died in winter, laying the whole night pressed her
    back against the heater, but she didn't wake up and died of 3rd degree
    burns.
     
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    Stimulants Gold Member

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    I have never experienced amnesia from flunitrazepam in the dosage of 4mg. I have however experienced an en bloc blackout from THC + alcohol combo.
     
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    I took 1 mg of Rohypnol and it was quite pleasant. It was a long-lasting xanax or valium feeling but I didn't get all loopy like the media suggests. I'm sure enough will go a long way though and with booze I'm sure they get stronger as well.