Drug information Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) Drug Info

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no worries !
well let's just hope the daredevil comes and join us in person.
hard to imagine that a 250mg dose of mdpv wouldn't result in heart failure at the least

b

 

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I find 10 mg to be get unpleasant, and could use large amounts, but in smaller doses over time. I think this report may refer to something else entirely. It seems that 250mg would be lethal and I do not recommend ANYONE test that theory. Maybe this was methylone ?

 

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yes that's what I was thinking too... methylone not mdpv....maybe someone got the IUPAC mixed when ordering from the said vendor....
it also fits the doses mentioned, very low at 70mg quite strong at 250mg...
and the more more introspective elements at higher doses, talking over the light stimulant effect. Especially the talkativeness, yes methylone definetly does that, and I has spend over 6 hours straight sitting at a table taking with others M1oned folks.
there is somewhat of a comedown and yes, you feel it the next day ( fits this reference to half-life)
I'd say it really feels like someone got mdpv and m1 mixed up. bloody dangerous confusion if this is what it is....

b

 

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Must be. Or we'd be read the obituaries.

 

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after watching 5mg of the oldschool batch taken by an untolerant rodent, my unequivival opinion is that 1-time admin of 250mg MDPV hcl will cause death in most higher primates with at least 3 functioning neurons. ergo...

 

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Hello to all.

The guy in question don't want to do some explanation with you. He take 125mg within 12h by step of 20mg. He think that your only views on drugs are "molecular and neurologist views" he claims that what he does is true but don't want to go in conflict with your ideas. He don't want to debate on a forum where "swim formula" is used , it find this very hypocrit.

I'm sorry to have initiate that question, i was only very curious about this experience.

Here is (in french) the essential of his mind, please again apologize for this intrusion in the MDPV thread, i hope that neither him or you will be upset by that.

"ca fait un moment que je ne debat plus sur les forums quand je me trouve face a des sceptique ou des gens qui croient tout savoir. je suis allé jusqu'a 125 mg en a peu pres 12h, par doses de 30-40 mg. j ai un ami qui a fait 250 mg en 24h. et nous ne sommes pas morts, ca je peux le garantir. "[...]

"je ne conteste pas le caractère anxiogène du mdpv, que j'ai surtout testé en descente, angoisse que je n ai jamais connu aussi forte DE MA VIE (donc angoisse de malade).
insufler du mdpv me semble etre une mauvaise idée d'ailleurs.
bref, le jour ou tu trouveras des gens qui ont deja testé le meme genre de dosage, la je serais interessé d echanger avec eux (car le mdpv a ces doses, c'est la plus *magique* des substances que j ai jamais testé) mais aller me justifier auprès de gens qui pensent tout savoir et passer pour limite mytho ca m'interesse pas trop."[...]

" ensuite, et ca ne m'etonne pas, les sceptique sont surtout ceux qui ont une vision *moleculaire* de la dope. ils expliquent les effets par le flux de dopamine et la recapture de serotonine ou des trucs dans ce genre. c'est surement tres juste, mais c'est surtout tres reducteur. et ces gens ne croient qu'a la science je parie.
tout ce que je peux ammener de plus, c'est te preciser que le mdpv venait de ***-research, donc source assez sure, que l'on a commencé par 20 mg en redosant regulierement pour arriver a environ 12h apres a avoir consommé chacun 125 mg. "

A last thing, i think he don't confund with Methylone because he introduce me to methylone and i think he does'nt maked the mistake.

Regards.
Systemdoll.

 

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fail to see where the conflict or actual "debate" would be, since we're talking about experiences. Taking 20mg increments over 12hours or 24h has little to do with a single 125mg or 250mg dose, from a physiological point of view.
we're all interested in this subject, but also trying to stay on the safe side, and responsible on a public forum, and this has nothing to do with "us" being condescending know-alls.
as for the mystical sides of substance use, i'm sure we all have different stand points on this, luckily, and there is a section of the forum dedicated to these aspects, mystical insights and philosophy. Yet I don't really see where there's any act of faith required in the discussion we were having btw...

But from a personal point of view, if an information is given which seems to be *very* unsafe, such as taking a single 125 or 250mg dose of MDPV (even if we now understand that this was *not* what was being refered to), I'd rather leave karma out of it and discuss the "scientific" ie physiological implications and consequences that this may have. the doses mentioned are extremely dangerous, revelation or no revelation. If this is scepticism, it's a rather constructive one imo.

Too bad "we" DF users seem to closed-minded for this individual, it would have been nice to read and yes possibly discuss ( what's there to really debate or argue about in this case ? ) his experiences, which are quite novel to most of us, directly with him, as we all usually do here. It's about sharing knowledge respectfully.
But anyway, maybe another day.
as for the swim thing, it's not hypocrisy, its a required protective legal disclaimer, if not for the poster himself at least for the framework of the forum, one can read up on this in the rules, and this aspect of posting here is not under discussion.

Systemdoll thanks for bringing this experience up anyway, and maybe tell this person to stay lurking around some more before deciding we're not worth his trouble.

b

 

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Systemdoll. Members here are not here to discount your friend's experiences, but are skeptical because most of those commenting on this thread have also ingested this stuff from the same source and have found it to be quite powerful. Posters here are not telling You or SWIyour friend that You are liars. MDPV is potentially very dangerous at this level, and more importantly, presenting 250mg as a routine dose could encourage someone to hurt themselves without properly considering what they are doing. I find 15-20 mg much too overstimulating, but I do not use stimulants regularly so has no tolerance. I do not think that there are any here who have taken250, even broken up over the night, and encouraging people to is irresponsible no matter how great the high is; it is simply not safe.
Tell your friend not to take the skepticism personally. I can't be that hard to see that given the dosages and discussions here that you's account is hard to believe and it is understandable that there would be a need to confirm it. SWIM and others in this board use it to DISCUSS these chemicals, and that means questioning them too. No one is accusing SWISystemdoll or friend of being liars and in fact are still interested in this experience.
The SWIM thing is what this forum has established to protect against self-incrimination and is not hypocritical. Your friend should not be so sensitive.
Your friend can continue to post in french if necessary. SWIM can translate if Benga doesn't get to it first...

 

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Thank you. I hope he'll read the thread again.

I'm ok with you to say that it's not safe at all. Swim experience with MDPV found that it was very toxic for swim and swim always has anxious stimulation during the experience and difficult hangover after the experience.

Edit : It was not post from him but actually what he write to me through pm in an other forum. I am really a large lazy slug because i will have been able to translate myself.

 

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It's baaaaaack. I'm told that the substance has a radically different appearance than a batch that was apparently floating around a couple of months ago. Rumor has it that the latest samples have the appearance of a totally unremarkable white powder, as opposed to the previous flaky copper-colored stuff.

I need to reread this thread- I could swear the color issue had been discussed. But in the event that this was glossed over in the discussion of research (and researching a few more mg at T+5, then plus 10 at T+8, and more research of a new sample as the original has somehow dissappeared between Friday and Thursday) hopefully some of our theoretically-grounded members will jump in and offer any thoughts they might have on the color issue. Assuming it has any potential meaning at all. Which is surely something every stimulant thread can use a good dose of every now and again, right?

 

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The tan coloured stuff seemed less pure than the new white batch which is reported to be very good.

 

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Excellent! That's good to know. Of course, I don't have any personal experience with this stuff at all.

 

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MDPV is great ADD medication ISO, I think in doses of 2-3 mg every 8 hours is great for energy and concentration with almost no side effect. The key of this chemical is keeping dosage low and spared over time.

Users may be tempted to dose high in order to get a rush, and most likely they will get very bad effects. A good amount of euphoria is accomplished with low doses, this euphoria is nothing like a rush, but I think this is as good as it gets with mdpv, don't try to get too much recreational effects with this as you'll probably get the opposite.

 

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These aren't visuals to be enjoyed, but rather signs that you may be doing permanent damage to the small vessels in your eyes throug raising your blood pressure and extensive vasodialation.

My houseplants become quite farsighted on MDPV binges and have more issues with COPD. It's clearly not part of the trip.

 

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That matches the description of the first MDPV which made the rounds as well. The existence of the dirty batch bothers me, I hope no one's hurt themselves in the long term with that stuff, considering the way some people seem to go at it with MDPV.

 

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I have found the 'dirty' batch to be fine. Unless it was smoked, I do not think there was any problem with the previous lot. Most side effects are from excessive use, and I think the same problems will appear with the 'pure' batch. and just because it is a white rather than off white crystalline powder, it does not mean it is free of impurities. The previous source had HPLC data which revealed the pyridine (?) impurity, whereas subsequent sources have offered no analysis data. Food for thought.

 

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Anyone smoke MPDV before? Instead of just smoking it freebase, can you cook it into rocks like crack cocaine? If so what would be the amount to smoke. On the search I saw that someone smoked around 300mg. Thanks guys! :crazy

 

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I find this highly doubtful. Why would anyone smoke 300mg of something that is active at 2 or 3mg orally? If it did work, 300mg could easily be a lethal amount.

Please cite your source for this information.

<EDIT> Cross-posting is not allowed. Moderator please delete.

 

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300 mg is certainly far too much to consider smoking even over an extended period.

 

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Monkey found MDPV at a festival he went to recently, it was being sold as feeling like "mixture of MD and coke". He would have partaken if he had had any money...