Drug information Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) Drug Info

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Regarding anxiety, I am unsure about this just yet, but Motilium seems to have eliminated most of the anxiety associated with MDPV. He's talking about the physical anxiety, but that was always the problem for SWIM, not psychological anxiety. Perhaps it is something to do with the fact that Motilium blocks dopamine receptors in the body, but not the brain? He can't make any sense of it.

Edit: this was mistaken, it is not reliable

 

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yes Valium works well for the edginess, just have to be careful because Valium has a much longer half life than MDPV and you can eat much more without getting knocked out when on MDPV, problems can happen when the MDPV wears off and you crash for 12+++ hours and csn't really remember what happened. Alcohol works good to but you can have the same problem of drinking too much and all the negative that follow...

 

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A FOAF just ordered a gram of mdpv. Swim might try some and write a report, he will also try to get a report or two from a FOAF sometime later in the week.

 

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OK word to the wise, my monkey's uncle indulged a bit with MDPV over a few days and on the last day he got very worried when suddenly it was very hard to breathe in all the way. His chest felt very tight, and so did his throat, and he was constantly short of breath because he couldn't breathe in completely. It was fairly scary because it came on so suddenly, and he doesn't usually experience much psychological anxiety but the way he felt had absolutely wiped out the positive effects of MDPV and he was stressing out.

But after some googling he found that some people experience the same thing with Adderall, and with stimulants generally. It sounds very similar to what people describe happening sometimes during a panic attack, if that's true then jesus my sympathy just went up a mile for people who experience that regularly in life.

Anyway, point is if it happens it's better to be prepared, it's anxiety that's overwhelming your body, breathing techniques might help but you'll probably have to calm your nerves down physically. My monkey's uncle is not a great fan of benzos, so he had a glass or two of wine and went from feeling like absolute shit to feeling fan-tastic.

 

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Do really that many people experience edginess and anxiety on MDPV? I have taken large amounts of MDPV (and also other stimulants) without experiencing any anxiety. Yes, I am feeling hot, and has a very high BPM, also in rest, etc. but I do not necessarily find this disturbing... I must say that I don't get anxious quickly in general, and it is probably also due to the euphoria that comes with most uppers.
I like to mix uppers with GBL though, but this is not mainly to take away the edge, but more to increase the euphoria and to be (even) more sociable.

 

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I has not yet tried MDPV and was wondering how he easily he could be duped by a dealer passing this off for cocaine? do they look similar and whats the taste and impact like in comparison?

 

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If a dealer tries to pass off MDPV as cocaine and you rack up a 100mg line and sniff away, you could likely die. You need at least 20-30 times less per dose, and need to re-dose about 6-8 less times as it lasts a lot longer. In terms appearance, its (now) usually white/creamy color, and has an odd taste that is not really comparable to anything. Its not a very strong taste, and will not numb the mouth like coke (maybe as such a small amount is needed)

Synesthesiac added 7 Minutes and 0 Seconds later...

This is EXACTLY what happened to me on butylone, literally felt as if his airpipe was blocked up, which spirialled into further anxiety and sweating, feeling of impemnding doom/death, etc. GBL/Valium soon solved the issue though (like booze did for swiy) and the positive effects returned later when they kicked in.

Yeah, stimulant anxiety is a bitch. The next step up the anxiety ladder from breathing issues is passing out and severe cramp from hyperventilation. This has only happened to me on MDPV, and put him off it for a good while. I think the issue with MDPV is that it lacks real euphoria (if not dosed correctly or mixed with the right things), so people try to up their dose or re-dose too quickly, and the anxiety this causes can be terrible. Your heart can start going apeshit. I would hate to get that when not using drugs.

 

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Major props to Synesthesiac for his reply on this subject.

Using pure MDPV in doses similar to cocaine could really end SWIM's life quickly. MDPV is active in small milligram doses.

AFAswimK, it would not be very easy to tell these substances apart.

Visually, MDPV is just an innocuous white, fluffy, opaque powder. At least that's what my hamster has encountered.

The only thing I can say is that MDPV has a peculiar taste -- kind of like an extremely intensely bitter "minty" flavour ... very strange. Other lab animals might have their own flavour insights.

 

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Quick question:
Does MDPV react with aluminium if stored in it (tinfoil)?

 

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I cant see any particular reason for it to, but I also cant think of any particular reason anyone would want to, as tin foil can react with some other drugs and ruin their quality. So its probably best to avoid. Out of interest why does You ask?

 

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I had to transport some doses so he weighted them on small pieces of tinfoil and folded them. It was the best way he could remember to occupy least space and not prone to spill everything into the zip-lock bag while in his jeans.

Now he has some of these left and plans to leave them on the freezer for some time. When he opens them he'll report on the condition.

 

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If You plans to store anything in the freezer make sure they are in a completely sealed container or water can get in and freeze in youS mdpv making it very messy.

 

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@Synethesiac:

I'm going to snatch just a sentence fragment from your post:
"I think the issue with MDPV is that it lacks real euphoria (if not dosed correctly or mixed with the right things). . ."

I understand the main point you were making and with SWIM's very limited experience with MDPV he would agree with you. However, he was wondering if you were alluding to the idea that there things which mix well with MDPV, increasing euphoria? Or do you mean that it's best not to mix MDPV with other substances at all.

Thanks

 

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Well from my mates experiences with MDPV he can no longer get ANY euphoria from it, no matter what he combines it with. Whether this is due to a long lasting tollerance, just getting used to the effects or different quality and potency batches is not clear.

However when he first discovered it he found that when combined with GHB (2.4ml of GBL to be precise every 3 hours or so) it was highly euphoric and a potent aphrodisiac. Without the CNS depressant to calm the "jitters" MDPV gave, the amount of it needed to reach a euphoric level was always too uncomfortable. Valium also worked well for this, but the synergy of GHB's aphrodisiac qualitieis and MDPV's stimulation was the best combination I has tried.

 

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Interesting, Synethesiac, thanks.
SWIM missed the GHB train. The only time he's tried it was one dose of GBL, which was nice enough except that no one told him it was not wise to take on an empty stomach and h spent most of the time vomiting in the shrubbery. These days it seems hard to find for him, though he imagines he could really get along with it.
I haven't taken enough MDPV to experience any really bad effects, just a bit of tension and edginess. He tried taking a bromazepam as that benzo has less pronounced sedative effects but he felt like it was still primarily working against the MDPV: less edginess, less of everything.
Well, I guess it's time for SWIM to hang it up for a few days before he tries again. MAybe MDPV isn't for him. He hasn't really felt any particular urge to redose, but he has a few times anyway simply because he has had the feeling that something isn't quite there, maybe just beyond the horizon. OF course, it's a fool's errand to try to find the missing element by taking more and more. You'll just end up a long way from the home of a clear and peaceful mind.
One mildly interesting effect that I have noticed from MDPV is that he tends to write a lot faster, but with more mistakes, specifically often substituting the wrong heterograph. It also seems to impair short-term memory, severely limiting its application as a study-aid.

 

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I have half a gram on order for himself and a friend, which should turn up in the next day or two. Given the many reports of compulsive re-dosing and anxiety on the comedown (SWIM's not tried it before), SWIM's thinking of knocking up a couple of hundred mgs of dihydrocodeine via CWE so as to soften the 'landing'. He'd like to know if anyone here has any experience of mixing MDPV with a (mild) opiate/oid like this? He's quite experienced with the stimulant/opiate combo and knows it to be pleasant and (for him) easy to handle physically.

(We're talking about a glass of poppy tea after a night's clubbing on some pills, btw, not shooting speedballs.)

 

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I has tried this combination having done a cold water extraction of 4x 30/500 co-codomol tablets to create his opiate drink and then insufflated around 15mgs of MDPV about 30 minutes later. Having left a fairly empty stomach (a packet of doritos and a glass of water) we was expecting the codeine to kick in fairly sharpish in comparison to other times he has done a CWE and when I finally felt the slowly flowing rush of opiates begin to soothe him, he snorted to the MDPV and waited. Usually when I take MDPV it hits him initially in about 3-5 minutes in a subtle, but assuring way and then continues to expand until he feels truly awake, alert and ready to get on with whatever needs doing. However when in combination with an opiate, it seemed to be overwhelmed by the superior power of sedative, leaving swim needing a little more than usual in order to counter-act the effect.

after insufflating a further 10mg and licking the remainder most likely to be no more than 5mg, the upper to downer balance began to level out until I felt a nice speedball-esque feeling. I would definately not recommend attempting this if You has tasks to do during the day since the combination left swim feeling numb, sleepy, wired, but mainly very nice for a good 7 or 8 hours. Swim topped up his MDPV after 3 and a half hours since he felt the codeine begin to dominate again, and had no problems sleeping afterwards (quite the opposite infact!)

Routemaster flash, I would advise that You makes sure that his CWE has been done effectively in order to remove all unwanted ingredients and that You knows his own limits with opiates and MDPV. swim assumes that You has tried both substances on separate occasions and would definately not advise anyone who has not used them individually to try this combination before getting to know what You can handle and how much of each it takes to affect swiy.

however, swim rates the experience a solid 8.5/10

 

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Good point in your last paragraph benzup - kind of sobering as I know DHC like an old friend but was (until last night) new to MDPV. However, he was manageably high, i.e. not rolling his eyes and gurning like a lunatic, when he took the DHC*. He took a Nytol (diphenhydramine) to try and get some sleep around 5 a.m. but, as suspected, this didn't stand a chance against the joint forces of an MD** and a opiate. Still, he doesn't have to do much today until early evening, so no great shakes (he says, until the early-onset Parkinson's gets him, ha ha...).

Anyway, this stuff seems quite good. The high specific potency is great news for both pocket and nose.



*It goes without saying he'd researched the potency of MDPV first, and just as well - SWIM can see someone Getting In Trouble if they blithely order some off a supplier they've bought methylone or mephedrone from before and assuming it's of similar potency. Of course, if these substances were sold as drugs rather than 'plant food' they could print a recommended dose on the label, but then, that would be telling, wouldn't it?

 

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Question regarding everyone's MDPV experience:

Has anyone received a batch from a vendor(not second hand from a FOAF) that was clearly different from the usual powder form(I'm not source hunting here) ? I UTFS'd already, many hits on a white batch and it's noticeable and crappy differences. But what I'm talking about is a crystalline white substance, no one seems to touch on that much, just saying "the white batch", which I've seen pictures that show a white form bot one that is clearly a powder.

This particular white crystalline batch looked very different from either powder (tan of white) . It barely clumped and had a distinct industrial smell, as opposed to an earthy(spermy some would say) smell of the classic powder form.

Also, in searching I've noticed that two CAS numbers appear for MDPV.
687603-66-3 and 24622-62-6. The latter appears to be the HCl form. Can anyone confirm or speak to the subtleties of this? As in:
-Can you confirm which CAS # you got with your batch and how it looked/worked?
-If the white crystalline form WAS the HCl salt, could it explain the marked difference in effects?


Thanks

 

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Three quick comments:

#1: Diethylether ... sorry can't help you there, my cat has the classic "white fluffy" version. Hopefully someone here with more chemistry background can fill you in on your question.

#2: MDPV 1 year follow-up ... this stuff is definitely "more-ish", as other people have stated. My cat loves the positive mood changes, the energy push. It's sometimes a bit of a challenge to convince my housecat that DAILY USAGE OF THIS Research Chemical IS NOT RECOMMENDED.

#3: MDPV 1 year follow-up part II ... kitty notices that there is a tolerance build-up. Whereas my cat used to get euphoria and energy from 6mg, now it's closer to 10mg. This requires a definite rest from MDPV until the norepinephrine pathways have settled down again.

My kitty cat seriously loves this stuff. But everything in moderation, I keep telling him...