Drug information Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) Drug Info

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I have purchased four different types of MDPV each of four different textures, effects, dosage and duration. This is made swim give up buying RC's now (well, especially this one) They all said they are 99-98% pure, but they all seem completely different. I REALLY do not like not knowing exactly what is in what I am buying, and clearly each batch has quite different and distinct active chemicals. And the fact that no-one knows why these differences exist is enough to put swim off now.

 

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I have recently tried MDPV and wanted to let some people know about his experiences since it seems that more than just a few people are interested in it but have yet to try it and asked me to report his findings. SWIM first took around 10mg by nasalinsufflation and began feeling the effects within 5-10 minutes. After about 20 minutes the effects were almost peaked but weren't quite enough for his high tolerance to stimulants. SWIM then took another dose of 15mg and began to feel the effects almost immediately. Now he doesn't know if this sudden reaction was from the earlier dose kicking in in waves or it was the larger dosage (I personally think it was a combination of both). Within another 30 minutes he again claimed to plateau, although he seemed to get more 'wired' and 'geeked' after more like an hour. He claimed that it felt as if he was on a decent amount of cocaine (at least .5g equivalent at once) and had a slight, very slight (as he pointed out on several occasions of him forgetting what he'd just said), sensation of euphoria similar to a small dose of mephedrone (4MMC). These slight euphoric effects lasted him about an hour but he still had the feeling of a coke high for another 2 hours after that. His initial comedown was fine, but after about an hour after he claimed to be sober he began to feel rather exhausted (even though he couldn't sleep). About 1 1/2 hrs he began to feel depressed and just plain shitty. He later grabbed a bite to eat (how much later is not known either by myself or him as he lost track of time and I had some other matters to attend to at this time) which seemed to help him out of his 'crash'. I amn't sure if the after-effects are worth the effects during his experiment, but is definitely considering retrying his experience with possibly only 15mg or trying it orally as others in this post have stated. I will report back if he tries either anytime soon. I hope this helps for any1 that has been looking to try it but was cautious.

 

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Alter ego was at a party where some stranger offered him some mdpv, claiming to be speed like. He accepted and took 2 lines (no scale=stupid!) about one hour apart. effects definitely speed like with good euphoria. A harsh crash followed, shifting swim into a depressive episode for about two months. Shurely things to be sorted out culminated in my life at this point, but that depression was unreal.
I am forced to advise people to stay away from this chem in high doses and/or while going through transition-periods or having a rough time.
cheers

 

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FWIW, my cat found the following study on pyrovalerone analogues at the following PubMed cache:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2602954

My cat apologizes if this info is in the wrong thread or should be posted elsewhere.

It is interesting to note that the authors of the study observed that pyrovalerone was 9-times more effective at dopamine re-uptake and 11-times more effective at norepinephrine re-uptake than cocaine.

Clearly, pyrovalerone and its relatives (i.e. MDPV) are not to be trifled with.

 

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I have enjoyed this product but finds that the unwanted aspects of the stimulation (viz. sleeplessness) last much longer than the actual euphoria. The 'buzz' itself is pleasantly subtle and good for social situations where one doesn't necessarily want to be jaws-a-gurnings, eyes-a-rolling and very obviously wired, which tends to be the case with (say) mephedrone. SWIM can see where people are coming from when they compare MDPV more to cocaine, as opposed to the obviously ecstasy/speed-like effects of mephedrone.

I plan on cutting down on drugs this autumn/winter after a fairly 'messy' summer so he won't be ordering any more any time soon - but may place another order next year. He'll be sure to have some benzos lying around to help drop off afterwards, though.

 

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mdpv - bad experience had a server lack of sleep night before which i am sure did not help. bombed .03 of a gram at 1pm on a friday and i was still speced out and really paranoid 11pm the following day (saturday). from reports i got off other people that tried it the first 3 hours where nice it was easy to snort and the buzz was very nice for the first 3 hours, unable to sleep tho which is why my personal experience was a bad one as i had little to no sleep the night before. so many mixed reports about mdpv i dont think i will ever do this again

i would like to know if anyone eles experienced the paranoid feeling?

 

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Nope, just you. In fact we were all just talking by private message about weird it is that you get paranoid.

Edit: oh cheers, making a joke is punishable by negative rep now, is it? What price a sense of humour, eh?

 

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If you get through this thread, you will note that anxiety, paranoia and panic attacks are wide spread side effects that users experienced in past in conjunction with MDPV.

 

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I think that's your problem right there, friend.

0.03 of a gram is 30 milligrams!

That is a large dose for most bipedal mammals.

I am surprised that 30mg did not put this "fictional" imbiber (trying to follow the posting rules LOL!) into a dangerous state via tachycardia and sympathetic nervous system overload.

you'ers should not use this stuff haphazardly.

 

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30 mg is way too much. I find i starts to suck after 10 mgs. I think it is best taken 1-2 mg at a time sublingually. Keep dosing until desired effect is acheived. I find it kicks in rapidly this way allowing easy titration. MDPV is quite unpleasant at too high a dose (like 30 mg for instance) and could be hazardous. There are already enough injuries and deaths from Research Chemicals - no need for more.

 

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10 mg isn't much so why not snort instead of sublingual?

 

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you can but sublingual takes effect as fast. I do not like to insufflate things if I do not have to. Not really much difference though.

 

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^^I will tell SWIM to try sublingual next time. He has gotten into trouble a couple of times with insufflation because the powder has gotten "stuck" or something in his nasal cavity without being absorbed. The repeated small doses add up, and then all of a sudden it breaks loose and all hits at once and poor SWIM suddenly suffers the EXTREMELY scary and unpleasant effects of an overdose. Snapper described it best earlier in this thread:

[quote="snapper]With cocaine or speed, SWIM can push the euphoria way higher with repeated use, but with MDPV, hitting that magic 8mg creates a super unpleasant state of of extreme tachycardia (160-180bpm), sweating, dizziness, numbness of extremities, rapid and weak peripheral pulses with dropped beats, extreme overstimulation, shakes and confusion. This translates to SWIM as 'about to overdose and flop like a fish'. I had this happen twice now, and stopped it quickly with an atenolol and a light dose of a traquilizer I had put away for an emergency. I was fine after that, will all of MDPVs effects gone (SWIM always found propranolol to stop cocaine's high for SWIM too back when SWIM abused it, so go figure...).[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately this other SWIMmer I'm talking about didn't have anything on hand to stop the effects and had to ride it out. He came very close to checking himself into the emergency room and wants to avoid this state again at all costs.

Snapper, do you think propranolol would be safe and effective in the case of MDPV also? Which would be better/safer in the case of an accidental MDPV overdose, a benzo or a beta blocker?

 

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Expat- Stay away from propranalol in a situation like this...True, it has been used for anxiety, but usually in people who don't have altered systemic (pulmonary, cardiac) manifestations as happens with MDPV binges. It is a non selective Beta blocker: B1 blocked will slow your heart and make it beat less forcefully(consuming less O2) ...a good thing. B2 being blocked makes your lungs and peripheral tissues (blood vessels in muscles) resistant to your body's attempts to DILATE. This is bad. The situation you create is a weakened heart pump(decreased B1), having to push against higher pressures in both the lungs and body(Decreased B2). This can stress both the right and left heart, and set you up for heart failure.

---Also, I presume MDPV acting as a stimulant/sympathomimetic will cause severe Alpha stimulation as well. This accounts for the nasty constriction. Take propranolol and again, you depress the heart while leaving the systemic vascular resistance incredibly high. This is why when people go to the hospital with cocaine overdose they must fist be treated for excessive Alpha stim. prior to treating the Beta stim.

---GBL/ 1,4BD might offer some help with the bad effects, provided it was a short bout (1 day , ~300mg or less binge), but it seems to exacerbate the feelings later, prolly due to rebound dopamine surge as it tapers off. Perhaps something that works on a different pathway is more appropriate. Benedryl comes to mind. It is incredibly sedating in some, and you're not going to see systemic interaction/risk like with the big guys (GABA, Beta, Alpha).

---A squirrel down the block from here got 2 grams of MDPV and managed to go thru all of it in 1 week...No joke. Mostly smoked. A total of 12 hours of sleep was logged in that time. Barely any food was consumed, business attended to, sanity preserved. Masturbatory sessions were worthless, thanks to the vasoconstriction, sympathetic surge, and diuresis. Started to have panic attack like symptoms about 4 da ys in, almost resulted in going to the ER and just spilling my guts to the roomate. This would have been disastrous, as we are in school for a program where this is not even remotely tolerated. It's good the squirrel had relationship and family issues to use as an aliby.

---The squirrel now wonders if he's done lasting damage. He has flank pain which indicates kidney damage, altered urine production, lethargy(expected after so little sleep) , a feeling of decreased lung volume with a noticeable heart murmur. This points to kidney damage causing fluid retention causing increased volume pushed through the pulmonic heart valve with back pressure from the lungs(murmur). Tomorrow will be the third day of cold turkey sobriety, and so far aside from regret and rebound depression(minor, but takes wellbutrin) he feels fine mentally. Physical activity reserve is reduced, maybe due to malnutrition, lack of exercise during binge, poor gas exchange at the lungs ,muscle damage, or god forbid cardiac damage. This squirrel has been extremely fit in the past, in good health as well.

---Seriously guys don't screw around. It is imperative to find a way to moderate dosage(bury the main stash if you have to!). and try to keep compulsive admin. down by using the least "rushy" ROA which is prolly PO.

---The squirrel freaked out and dumped his stash of other drugs and paraphanalleia. This is the smartest thing he did, as this point in his life is incompatible with investing so much time being altered.

 

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swim still cannot understand how people are able to get through so much MDPV in one go. I don't feel like he has a particularly addictive personality, but has found in the past a tendency to increase his usage of various drugs such as marijuana, ketamine and mephedrone from casual usage. For example what started as one weed smoking session every couple of weeks with swim's mates, developed into maybe twice a week, then finally he's smoking up to 15 joints a day as he still does. Ketamine was even more of a problem shifting from light experimentation to snorting 5-6 lines every night before bed, however he longer does this, mainly because he now has restricted access to it.

MDPV on the other is a different kettle of fish all together. Swim purchased 4g of the drug 2 months ago and has been using it regularly, sometimes just to wake him up in the morning, other times to keep him going through work and occasionally just for the hell of it. but not once after taking it has he felt the need to fiend off it, and most of the times after snorting and dabbing it he never wants or desires a top up unless he needs one implicitly. The high he gets off it just isnt that compulsively addictive in nature, and only ever feels when he does redose in quick succession to the last dose that aggravating short-breath and tight chest sensation, overly wired and not hungry in the slightest. After feeling like this swim cannot justify it to himself to take anymore and cannot understand why any would want do. its not exactly cocaine is it? in the sense that after 20 minutes on coke, the effects are gone minus the slight buzz, but even after 2 hours, let alone 20 minutes the MDPV hasnt really worn off, it just loses its euphoric edge. but the rest of the effects remain for a much longer time (4-5 hours) and for that reason alone he rarely redoses until everything disappears since the euphoria is never properly reachieved and the bad feelings are only increased.

swim weighed out the remainder of his bag a couple of days ago and it registered as 3.2g, indicating that he went through no more than 800mg in 2 months and has never restricted his own access to it. it remains in the same place along with all his other drugs. swim can only conclude that MDPV is nothing more than a utility drug; it has no place at a party since after drinking alcohol a line does nothing more than sober swim up, the euphoric high in relation to other similar drugs is low in comparison and although this high wears off less abruptly than e.g cocaine, as I had already mentioned, the negative effects do not. however, this does not mean that MDPV is a bad drug and that I do not enjoy using it. I could see himself becoming dependent on using it to get him out of bed (he usually racks out a line before bed ready to be insufflated when his alarm goes off) and has somewhat replaced his coffee break at work with an MDPV break in the toilets (less sociable and if were not for the cubicles, not exactly dignified), but what he cannot understand or even begin to contemplate is why anyone would want to binge on this stuff. There is just so many better drugs out there that give much more pleasurable highs or insane trips with less of the negatives, and alot of the time for a much cheaper price. I could maybe understand it if there really was nothing else availiable, but from his own experience he has found it much tougher to purchase than other research chemicals and when it comes to getting out his wallet, it also hits that harder as well.

 

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Interesting take on it...Never could understand something like this myself. It seems like once you get on the ride it's hard to stop. Prolly different for different people. The squirrel refrenced above never really had addictive or compulsive qualities. He has a family hx of alcoholism which could explain some of it. However, he's always been able to keep drug use to a minimum, experimentation for the best description. He's always preferred being quite functional sober, and then enjoying the occasional journey to altered states. This experience just seems to be entirely too reinforcing, as all outside factors fall off to an almost unimportant, annoying level. This is a hallmark of an addiction; persisting with use despite negative consequences and replacing previous priorities with use and/or seekage of the drug.

---An update on the squirrel...A visit to acute care revealed mild kidney dysfunction, with markers for hemolytic anemia and methhemaglobinemia...This is most likely due to the concurrent use of poppers during the entire binge. The poor nutritional state, poor fluid intake , high body temps and sympathetic overdrive likely allowed the poppers to exert an extreme amount of oxidative stress. The byproducts of the red blood cell destruction clogged the kidneys. The murmur is likely from the hyperdynamic state imposed on the heart to pump adequate amounts of oxygenated blood thru the system. Use of naproxen (which inhibits renal protective effects of prostaglandin formation) likely didn't help.

---Harm reduction is a must. Of course moderation and abstinence also could work eh?:s

If anyone wants to know more get back to me. Thanks for the forum to let this out and the lack of judgment.

 

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Some MDPV will be arriving on my doorstep in a day or so, my intention being to feed 10mg to my tame dancing bear and racy little fox on the weekend.
Holding open their mouths and taking great care to avoid their sharp teeth I will squirt 5ml of water with the required dose dissolved within deep into the back of their respective throats and await results....
Having now read a fair bit about this chemical on here and another forum I am keeping my fingers crossed that they won't be clawing at me for continual re-doses as fiending really does seem to be a major factor with MDPV.

I am hoping to walk them into town to see if my famous dancing bear reacts well in noisy pubs with loud music, the same for the racy little fox, when I get her to stand on two legs she's quite a good little mover...
Now I'm wondering if they are going to feel a decent level of empathy with music?

I'm also informed that this is a chemical that goes well with beer and cider, the alcohol helping with the anxiety that usually follows - or often follows - a dose or two of MDPV, So I must remember to take their water bowls with me.
I usually only water them with soft drinks when on stims but will bow to the knowledge of an experienced peevee user on this.

On another forum I read an interesting trip report of someone who combined MDPV with Mephedrone, now I do understand that mixing this chemical with other stimulants is not considered a good idea, but this guy and several others had what can only be described as a total blast.
I wouldn't consider feeding my pets the two in one go (even on a low dose of mephedrone) but would administering it to them a couple of hours after the initial dose of peevee work?
And would it help counter possible craving & fiending?
I'm told that those taking peevee may well set out with every good intention of resisting fiending, but end out giving into it anyway.

I know that others find the crave more mephedrone too, but my pets have never had this problem.

Replies will be read with interest.....

Biggiro

Biggiro added 6 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...

Darn, just re-read that...
Regarding the Meph, the question is whether it is safe for the pets to take a small dose of it a couple of hours after having taken the peevee.

It could have been read as though I was intending to feed them a combination of the two chemicals a couple of hours after the first dose.

Biggiro

 

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My next doors neighbours girraffee is on this stuff @ this present time and is telling me that realistically (if your a stimulant fiend) this drug is impossible to resist !!! the temptation to redose is frequently strong (even when you are peaking, u want some to boost up a tiny nudge 2 reach that glorified morish adrenaline high that u WILL keep on chasing to its all gone)

My neighbours girrafee found that snorting the stuff is much more addictive than orally dosing !!!! !!!!! !!!!!! (take caution like the 200 posts advised to do so! thow not gorging out on this perculiar designer drug is impossible, much easier said than done. it would be a honour to meet a person who can snort this stuff and still reisit the temp to not drop2xcess)

(and smoking, well the girafee has researched and seen that it can do your lungs in abit 2 much and potentially do harmful damage to you would regreat in future 4 an experience, soo girafee did not go down that route)

If anyone is reading the last post out of what 223 lol, the girrafee wants to advise (being abit of a stimulant fiend and well master, yep ego kicking in abit there) that the usual course of action is to be taken with stimulants!!!

IF YOU WANT TO ENJOY THIS DRUG AND NOT SURTHER HORRIBLE NEGATIVE SIDE-EFFECT TAKE MY 7 STEPS AND U WILL ENJOY MDPV OVERAL

(PLEASE TRUST ME, MAY BE A NEWBIE HERE BUT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN DETERING NEGATIVE STIMULANT SIDE-AFFECTS, I'M NOT JUST SOME BIG-EGO'D ADALESANT WHO THINKS HE IS SHULGIN, I AM A ADDICTIVE PERSINALITY WHO HAS SUFFERED STIMULANTS BAD EFFECTS AND KNOWS HOW TO AVIOD AND PUSH AWAY THOSE UNWANTED FEELINGS !!!!!!!!!!!

Giraffeee quotes.....

1.DONT BE MANICK AND GET EVERYTHING DONE WHEN YOUR PEAKING, TAKE REGUALR BREAKS AND RE-CHARGE THAT RUSH SOOOO THAT YOU ELIMINATE THE POSSIBLE RISK OF RE-DOSING OVER AND OVER!

2.ALSO YOUR MUSCLES WILL TENSE ALOT ON THIS THE GIREFFEEE FOUND! GET A FLANLE OR A WET CLOTH AND PLACE OF AREA OF ACKING, GIRRFEEE IS PLACING A FLANEL WITH ALOE-VERA ON HIS SHOULDERS, CLOSING EYES AND SEMI-MEDITATING TO GET THE RUSH IN MOTION AGAIN AND NOT BLOW IT ALL IN A FEW HOURS! WHICH WILL RESULT IN AGENY WHEN GRAZING WITH FELLOW JUNGLE POSSYS IN LUSHUS GAMBIA TOMORROW

3. DRINK PLENTY OF WATER (GOES WITHOUT SAYING WHEN DOSING WITH ANY TYPE OF BOTENICAL OF ANY TYPE IN ANY WAY)

4. YES YOUR PROBABLY LIKE THE GIRAFEE IF YOUR A SPPED FREAK AND WILL END UP DOING THE WHOLE 100MG (WOULD NOT ADVISE ANYMORE FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES OF YOUR BODY AND ITS CLOCKWORKS)

PLUS WHAT THE GIRFEEE IS DOING IS STUPID AND THOUGHTLESS, ONLY THIS GIRRFEE HAS MAJOR ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY WITH ANYTHING

SOOO MAKE SURE U DO IT WITH A FREE DAY AHEAD (GIRAFEE SAID HE CAN ASSURE YOU NO MATTER HOW MUCH TOLERANCE U HAVE IF YOU LIKE STIMS U WILL END UP SPUNKING THE 100MG IN A NIGHT!

5. PLEASEE VERY IMPORTANT STAY UP TO DATE WITH RE-VITALISING YOUR BODY WITH VITAMINS, LOTS LOTS LOTS OF WATER AND CARBOHYDRATES! THIS WILL DEVELOP AN INCREASE OF THE RE-PRODUCTION OF SEROTONIN IN YOUR BRAIN. THUS MAKING THE COMEDOWN LESS OF A MINDF*UCK IN OVERALL PERSPECTIVE!

6. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE GREEN/POT U WANT TO TRY AND DRIVE THAT HEADF*UCK OF A COMEDOWN TO THE FURTHEST POINT AWAY FROM YOUR FRAGILE DOPAMINE RAPED BRAIN. GREEN MAKES IT LESS OF A NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE (AND WILL MAYBE DETER YOU FROM DISCRIBING THE DRUG AS A NEGATIVE TO SOMEONE WHO MAY SEE MORE POSITIVE IN IT.

(BUT DONT SMOKE LOADS THAT WOULD BE A WASTE OF CANNABIS AND SEROTONIN/DOPATHNE AND YOUR PURCHASED PRODUCT)

7. DONT BUY OVER 100-200MG LIKE I SAID YOU WILLLLL END UP RE-DOSING AND POPPING ALL THAT CRYSTAL (I AM WILLING TO BET ALL MY 1K DJ SET-UP THAT IF ANYTHING LIKE ME U WILL SNORT EVERY GRAIN OF IT AND REGREAT THE EXPERIENCE (& PLUS DRUGS R NOT MADE 4DAT)

IF ANYONE HAS READ MY GIRAFEES POST, TAKE THESE STEPS, PUT THEM INTO PRACTISE AND TRY NOT TO DO SOOO MUCH! I'M CRUISING DOWN POSITIVE BOWLEVARD NOW WITH MY REAMINING POWDER, BUT MY SHOULDERS ARE STARTING TO HURT A GREAT DEAL AND I WILLL PAY THE PIPER A PAINFULL PRICE COME WEDNESDAY WHEN I REGREAT BUYING 100MG,

SOOOO EVERYONE TRY SPLITTING 0.1G BETWEEN A FREIND TO KEEP THOSE URGES @ BAY. I HOPE U NEJOYED MY POST AND ADVISE THIS IS MY 1ST PROPER BIT OF INFORMATION ON THIS SITE ABOUT HELPFUL TIPS THAT I KNOW WILL HELP ALOT OF PPL OUT THERE! PEACE ALL : D

 

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A couple of comments:

Since this chemical is fully active at around 3mg or so, why would you start dosing your animals at 10mg? I know some animals who would be overwhelmed with 10mg if they had no tolerance.

And regardless of what dose you decide on, you should do some trials with sub-threshold doses first to make sure there's no toxic reaction. (It's very possible that the chemical could be something other than MDPV, or there could be something wrong with the batch, and/or your particular animals could have an adverse reaction to it.)

As for comining MDPV with alcohol, mephedrone or anything else, I don't know why you would even be considering this until your animals have some experience with MDPV on its own.

Expat98 added 19 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

For most people without a tolerance to MDPV, doing 100mg (even if it's spread out over a day or two) may well lead to a visit to the hospital or worse.

And I disagree with the notion that consuming all your powder at once is inevitable with this drug. Yes, it is as more-ish as everyone says, but if you respect it and set limits on yourself then you can control your consumption. I know a guy who managed to make a gram of methamphetamine last for over a year. He's just as subject to fiending as anyone else, but he knows the negative consequences resulting from over-indulgence in stimulants, and he consciously chooses to avoid them. Saying that it's impossible to control your usage of a drug makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Considering marijuana's tachycardia effects on the heart, I don't think it's a great idea to combine it with MDPV.

 

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That all sounds like excellent advice and will certainly followed by this animal trainer....
My pets are not of an addictive nature, in the past they have never felt the compulsion to fiend, regardless of what I have fed them, The dancing bear in particular is ever mindful of the edgy, restlessness and the long tail of these research chemicals.
As a side note; My dancing bear has found that if he is still feeling the beat whilst dancing, regardless of the fact that the initial high on coming up has faded, a top up is not really needed, all it does is extend the tail and increase the insomnia aspect.
He also found on one occasion when he thought he might have been in need of a re-dose, that getting away from the noise of the club/tent/pub (whatever) allowed him to listen inside his furry head and realise that he was in fact still rolling and therefore didn't need to risk a re-dose
My bear is a very cautious creature....

Anyway, back to MDPV; Bearing in mind his cautious nature, I'll test him - and his racy little fox - on 2mg dissolved in a couple of ml of water which will be ingested orally.
How long should I wait(providing all is well of course) before re-dosing with a slightly higher dose (6mg in 5ml of water perhaps?).

Can anyone describe the kind of high my pets might expect of a reasonable (not excessive) dose of peevee?
For instance; My pets ideal high would be for them to be up, alert, happy, chatty and for music of their choice to make them want to dance.

Re the alcohol; Another peevee user has said that the alcohol can help to negate the anxiety of a comedown, but not in the quantities that get you pissed, or to take benzos at the end of the night instead.

With regards to weed, neither of my pets smoke anyway!
Biggiro