Dose 2C-E dose and body load

25mg is a strong dose and caused a strong body load from one source. I have taken this dose more than once.

After 10 trips in 3 weeks or so the last few times there was no nausea and little body load, but visuals were not effected much. At the end of his bag he had enough for a 7mg dose and was very surprised how strong the experience was.

He weighs on 0.001g scales and always weighs, re-weighs, weigh again, double check etc...

 

my neighbor's kittycat would want You to know that there ARE measures one can take to prevent the nausea. kittycat keeps ginger tea around, and has found pomegranate to be excellent for keeping blood sugar levels at a good place.

one thing that kittycat wishes could happen, but would basically need some scientific-based research, would be an analysis of the severity of body load vs the diet. meaning, if one eats a diet of cheeseburgers/fries would they experience more or less discomfort than one who eats tofu/sprouts. one might assume the latter, as it's more healthy, but could the former be better off, as the body is more used to processing chemicals? this is actually quite an interesting question.

 

I have done 2C-E a few times and never really gotten any body load, he does with 2C-B though. He voted mild-medium. 20mg orally is quite mild, 22mg is medium but 25mg starts to get a fair bit stronger. The dose response curve for 2C-E is quite steep. SWIM prefers to snort it though. 10mg snorted is medium, 12mg is strong and 15mg snorted is very strong and snorting usually reduces any body load you might get when taking it orally. I say it's not the nicest thing to snort though and isn't recommended for someone who hasn't first tried it orally.

 

Aye swim also notices a very broad dose range for very similar effects. I had a rediculous adventure his first time at 12.5mg. Then a couple days later swim wanted to see what a lower dose was like. He took 6-7mg and had almost an equivalent experience. There were more body tingles and less nausea. He actually liked the low dose a lot better than his "higher" dose. I have always been very sensitive to hallucigens.

 

I find the visuals and other effects lacking at 20mg although she has seen many other people do that dose and be happy. SWIM and her friends typically do 30mg and they find the compound interesting at that level. Two friends have reported "tripping" (not strongly, but definitely tripping) off doses in the 8-12mg range, so perhaps there is just a wide individual variability?

For the record, SWIM and her friends have tested batches from different sources with a four or five year gap in the middle. The substance they have had in each case is definitely 2C-E and the dosages have been the same between the batches.

 

I found the following written on a piece of paper, it is not my own work:

I have used 2C-E many times, and I can get quite a strong load from it. I experience shaking of the knees and hands which can be quite unsettling and brings a degree of "chaos" to the trip. These usually go away after the first hour or so. In higher doses I can get nausea. I have only vomited once however. Almost all of my experiences have been through insufflation and I find I can keep all of these problems at bay by splitting up my dose and doing small bumps over the course of a few hours. This also has the benefit of a longer experience.

 

I has either a weak batch or a natural tolerance to 2c-e. 20-25mgs produces a very strong psychedelic experience with little to no OEVs. while the trip is nice and the CEVs are amazing I don't get any real nice OEVs until he gets a dose of around 30mgs+

the body load for I am the only negative aspect of 2c-e on a 20-25mg dose he tells me it feels insanely uncomfortable for the first 2hrs then it goes away and the psychedelic beauty takes over, but with high doses 30mgs+ he gets very nauseous and on his heroic dose of 60mg he had projectile vomiting from the come up until he was fully into his trip, he tells me that was not fun lol. the puking not the trip.

swim gets horrible shakes too, his hands tremble his leg muscles shake and random muscles all over the body seem to twitch. he also tells me his non drug using friends have noticed him shaking his head back and fourth like Muhammad Ali after coming down from an intense trip.

 

This one has a lower body load than described by the puppet's friend(s). 20-25mg is perfect though Is high for some. Only had it from one source, though has experimented with this one about 10 x.

Kindof felt like I was bloated. As the only undesired bodyload felt like some times.

 

I had 2 different batches of 2c-e from the same vendor.

The last years batch SWIM and his pets could dose up to 20mg and had a nice psychedelic experience which wasn't straining.

The new batch is much stronger. SWIM and his pets have very strong psychedelic experiences with 20mg which are straining. They have noticed a moderate- strong bodyload.

 

Speaking from one batch of 2c-e from the same vendor, 20mg was well managed and highly enjoyed by multiple raver friends. My raver friend even pushed it to 28mg and had a fascinating, calm, and awe-inspiring time camping with friends. Other friends had gone as high as 35mg orally and 20mg insufflated. While that would never be a recommendable dose, it did provoke fondness every time my friend brought it up.

And just to add further clarification, my raver friend never remembered body load entering the frame of reference while on 2c-e. The only limit to his physical activity was a desire, which seemed mental at the time but could have had physical sources, to sit still and admire the beauty. As is the usual procedure, I asked other raver friends who encountered the same material to report any negative effects and body load was never a widespread issue, ravers who had a history of a weak stomach or vomiting on substances replied saying 2c-e provoked it as to be expected but nothing beyond that.

 

Well, SWIM can only say that he personally always measures up 25mg of 2c-e , as well as 2c-t-2 and 2c-i when doing those, and that seem to be a perfect and extremely intense and powerful dose for SWIM, compared to several hits of LSD with hints of mescalin and mushrooms and some mdma type of effects. He have had some amazing journeys to other realms, past lives, flying around (if he goes and lies down and closes his eyes). If he stays up the visuals are just amazing and tracers intense and it is too powerful to really move around much since it gets so visually everything morphing and breathing and patterns and tracers all around.

He has tried lower dosages too, and interstingly found that even a few milligrams (such as 4mg) induces noticeable effects.

At the same time, he has let several friends try the same dosages from same batch, and most of them report strong effects, some report little to no effects strangely enough so it seems this substance is one that is really different from person to person and thus should be treated with respect, starting with minimal dosages until tolerance is known etc.

SWIM have never tried a dosage higher than 25 mg but he intends to do it at an appropriate time, perhaps around 35mg.

He has posted some reports on his experiences somewhere around in these forums for anyone interested just search up.

SWIM in general have a interestingly low tolerance to psychedelics he have found out, where he trips extremely hard on doses where others do not trip that hard, and he suppose he is lucky for that. Most other drugs he has a high tolerance for and usually is the most "hard headed" and "last man standing", but for some reason not when it comes to psychedelics - which he is happy for since its pretty annoying needing so large dosages of other substances.

 

crit has noticed that it is obv highly dose sensitive, and body load can be an issue at times.
as was said above i've noticed physical changes in the 5mg range for sure. however this does not necessarily almost manifest.