hey guys, I'm not sure if alfa wants this in here or elsewhere, so i will leave it up to him on where he wants it. Well today a friend of swims was telling him about an experience he had with a combination such as this. Swim figured he would tell you all from a first person perspective, even though I has never tried anything like this. So from now on my friend will be refered to as...Swim. Previous Experiences: I am experienced with all the usuals, cocaine, pain killers, the mdma family, uppers, downers, the whole bit. As far as RC's go he has only experienced 2c-i and 2c-e to this date, but has done these quite a few times and feels fairly experienced. Dose: 8mg 2c-e 70mg mdma 3 gravity bong rips 1 beer (come down) Setting: Very Very laid back, cool, redisigned storage shed. Cant even tell its a storage shed, fully decorated with morrison, doors posters, christmas lights, 2 tvs and a pretty decent sound system, 2 xbox's, couches, you get the idea. Doesnt even look like it is a storage room. I am very comfortable with the people there and the surrounding. Trip: At around 7 p.m. swim ingested 8mg of 2c-e. He had taken a dramamine earlier to help with stomach issues. He felt a hit from his pipe and a bath would also counteract some negitive aspects later on, so bathe he did. When he stepped out of the bath he felt slightly unusual as he always has with 2c-e. He got ready and took his 70mg capsul of mdma with a full gatorade. After rounding up all his things, he was ready. He headed out to pick up his sober friend while I was still yet to come up on the 2 substances as swim pefers not to drive whilst on psychadelics as it is unsafe. They headed over to the shed in which he would spend his trip, starting to feel a little more funny, seems he arrived just in time. 7:45 - Once in the place he was greeted by about 5 of his friends who were drinking beer and shooting the breeze. Swim sat down and had himself a cig. Once the cig was done he started to notice colors starting to enhance, and everything starting to take on a sparkly, beautiful texture. The mdma had just started to kick in. He then told his friend that he was rolling on half a pill, which upset his friend somewhat because he couldnt get a roll the day before as he was broke. This made swim feel a little guilty, but he assured his friend that he would make sure karma would pay him back for looking after swim. 8:30 - By this time the 2c-e has almost fully developed. Things started to morph, colors were brilliant, but the feeling mdma and 2c-e gave him wasnt what he expected, they didnt seem to synergise as well as he had thought, but it was still an enjoyable feeling. I was then offered a gravity bong by a very funny friend of his and chose to accept. After the hit, everything got hazy, I remember laying on the bed and playing xbox live for a while and being very in-tune to the game. And he wasnt playing terribly either. But he had a feeling of being under an overhang or in the entrance to a cave laying on the bed, the words that came to mind were sanctuary and habitat. As with mdma, I started to get slightly cold so he went out to his vehicle to get his jacket. This was a very fun journey, the alley he walked though seemed radiant, the outdoors was beautiful, but also too chilly for swim, so he hurried back. 10-10:30 or so - A few of swims good friends who were not regulars at the shed decided to come by. As initiation by the sheds owner they were encouraged to take a gravity bong hit, they gladly accepted. My friend S took the first hit and coughed like crazy, then proceded into his half passed out state the happens to him when he does too much of something, he's kinda a bitch sometimes, a joke between my friends and Swim, very low tollerence to everything, still a cool guy though. My next friend M took the hit and immediatly ran out the door to throw up (he didnt). All of this comotion and drama seemed like a play to swim, as if he was just a person standing by watching this happen. Not a huge amount of visuals at this point, just an emotional trip with some color enhancment. Poor I started to think that the other regulars were being mean and jeering at these two's expense. Its like I could see the darkish motives no matter how insignificant. 11 or so - Got a ride with M and S to another friends house, where S, the no tollerence guy, proceded to vomit all over the vehicle. Now mind you he had only had a few beers and one hit out of the bong. This upset and frightened swim deep down but all he could do is laugh his ass off while trying to help out and clean up. He pondered for a while the reason and meaning behind why S always ends up incapacitated, he knows S' cousin can handle anything. This created some distance I felt between everyone in the vehicle. And it didnt help that when we arrive at our destination, we werent allowed in with S puking everywhere. The rest of the night wasnt very significant, just a bunch of riding around looking for something to do. All in all this combonation doesnt seem to have a real synergy as with mixing things like opiates and weed, or shrooms and weed, or even 2c-i and 2c-e. It is not really a bad idea nor is it not fun, but I feel both are best of on their own. Still something to try if one is interested, but nothing to go out and buy all the materials just for such occasion. Nothing too interesting in this trip, I am not jumping to try higher doses as he kind of didnt like the feeling it gave. Happy tripping Edit: BTW, forgot to put trip report in the title, alfa if you need to change the title by all means feel free to.
good report. I was wondering how 2c-e would be with mdma. having tried a combo of 2c-i and 2c-e, how would You compare the two?? by the way, I had a very similar friend who has low tolerance and vomits far too frequently, so tell swiy's friend he's not alone
Synergy...Now, I would have to say that there is a lot of potential for synergy just in the same fashion as 2cb-mdma. Anyone who has actually taken the mdma/2cb combo will surely attest to the action there. (mdma is always taken first.) Swim says it allows the user to go into a deeper quieter state in which what you are telling yourself is much more relavent. A couple years ago...swim and a couple pals run (first) 125 migs of mdma (Yes, it really was real mdma.) and followed it with 14 migs (tanita1210) of 2ce. From My VERY hard-headed comrades...the unit of 2ce was excessive. Units of 6-10 migs would be much more advisable. Resulted in a very different state. Be very carefull and know your chems please. Waxhorse
Great report. SWITC's also feels the combination of 2C-e and MDMA would not be something incredibly interesting. SWITC's experiences with MDMA have given him the conclusion that in most cases MDMA is best on it's own, until the comedown that is.
swim once had tried a combo of 2c-i and mdma which as I was told was one of the best combos he had ever tried, so based on that he thought that the combo you mentioned would produce a simiilar type experience. Unfortunatly that was not true. I am told that the euphoria with the mdma and 2c-i was immensly pleasureable, but he wanted to see if he could acheive a bit more of a visual type trip. Hence the experiment with 2c-e and mdma, from what I heard he therre wasn't so much of a increase of visuals just less euphoria. Still to this day he perfers to take mdma with his 2c-e if possible but that is not to say that he will always take 2c-e with the mdma. I believe that he is waiting on a new shipment of 2c-i to re-experiment with the 2c-i/mdma combo as I think he said that he perfered the combo to straight mdma. If I hear more on the experiment I will let everyone know! cheers
I was fortunate to try a mdma, 2c-i combo recently. 125mg of mdma powder was taken...very nice and very smooth. After about 4-5 hours, was coming down well from the mdma, I decided to take a small amount of 2c-i (7.5mg) just to keep stimulated/awake for a few more hours....did not plan on tripping out like that! After almost an hour, started seeing visuals and fireworks/flashes of light...and the euphoria of the mdma seemed to come back a bit. Felt more like a dose of 20-25mg of 2c-i. I enjoyed this so much, he decided another 5mg of 2c-i about an hour later would be nice...and it was. Swim looks forward to trying this combo again very much! (although he says he'd much rather try a 2c-b/mdma combo...)
old thread has been bumped which I never noticed before: Without having the time to read your report in detail yet (which I most certainly will), I congratulate You heartily for going with conservative doses for their first combination attempt. I get very depressed from reading daily on the interweb about reckless, poorly thought out combos and doses.
This has given SWIM some fresh ideas. She admits she might have been a bit dogmatic about schedules and dosages and thinks that an open mind is paramount here. Thanks for resurrecting a readable thread. Normally I like to let the sleeping threads lie but this one is worthy for SWIM as this is exactly within the realm in which she conducts her research. I am also very conservative in her dosage approach as her cavies have made it plain that any body load only serves to kill libido, and libido is the sole point of SWIM's research goals. SWIM's cavies are very shallow little guinea pigs, eh?
SWIM made a change to her experiment schedule yesterday. Here are the basic results. SWIM's cavies were dosed with clean (reagent tested) MDMA crystals at the 125mg level on empty stomachs. Comeup was clean as expected, and cavies reported a +2 by the 1:15 mark. Rather than adhere to a rigid schedule, it was decided in advance that a conservative dose of 15mg 2C-B would be added when both cavies showed signs of post-peak symptoms (marked perceptional change in body temperature, for one) as an adjunct to assist the MDMA comedown. Both cavies noted that the first signs of 2C-B came on quicker than when taken by itself. The female cavy also noted that the slight nausea she usually experiences when dosed with anything from the 2C family was not apparent. The male cavy noted that his typical slight body tremor was present, but reported that the sensations seemed much more manageable than when a 2C-x is taken alone. The differences between the 2 substances seemed quite remarkable when compared side-by-side. The tactile sensations from the MDMA abated and were replaced by the visual enhancement that is typical of 2C-B. Also noted was that although the desire for intimate contact was greater on MDMA, the drive to fully engage in sexual activity was stronger on 2C-B. By the 5 hour mark, the female cavy was close to baseline with only occasional visual disturbances and body rush (usually brought on by a deep inhalation) and the male cavy still reported +1. Chocolate was brought to the testing area, and both cavies fully enjoyed laying in their cage watching the space shuttle launch on NASA TV. In conclusion, although both experiences were reported as enjoyable, it did seem that the substances did not enhance one another, the 2C-B simply picked up where the MDMA left off, but that chemical action seems to greatly mitigate the comedown associated with MDMA. The comedown from the 2C-B was reported to be gentle with no residual restlessness or depression. Chemically-assisted undisturbed sleep was achieved. Both SWIM's cavies hope that the 7 shuttle astronauts aboard Discovery STS116 experience as gentle a comedown as they did.
hehe although I had written about swim and mdma and 2c-e as well as 2c-i (with the 2c-i being the perfered combo) experiemnts I would have to agree with you I has mentioned that the mdma + ketamine combo being absoultly fantastic! I agree with You about this being one of the best combos!
