Combining stims and sedatives is usually a recipe for disaster. You won't get the full benefit from either and you could be doing yourself serious damage. TBH it also smacks a little of self medication. If there are circumstances/problems you are trying to overcome its better to deal with the problem directly rather than masking it with medications.
This is an experience of a friend of my. Dosage: 200mg Route: Oral Duration: Unknown Body Weight: 54kg Gender: Female Setting: University Main effects: Wakefulness, alertness. Side effects: Restlessness. Anxiety may have been increased but this could be due to first day in university. It was taken to combat excessive tiredness and succeeded. Apologies for the lack of additional information, however, every little helps I'm sure
65 kg male roughly50 mg oral university So SWIM basically got problems focusing on his work, no motivation and wastes alot of time. So SWIM boutht modalert. I took it on monday roughly 50 mg, or slighty less. I felt alert for like 3 hours and then when it wore off experienced anxiety and slight lower mood. 2 days later SWIM noticed more sensitive hands and slight itch on fingers. It's not 5 days later after first dose and SWIM's hands and soles of his feet seem to contain more bloodflow. Swim also have occasional mild itch on legs. Swim's confused as he took one small dose only once and has not taken again, the chance of skin problems is so small and swim hopes he's not one of the unlucky less than 1% ones. So I am wondering, is it because of generic modafinil this happend and also should he be concerned and never take this drug again? Regards nito added 3 Minutes and 5 Seconds later... I meant "it's now5 days" Swim will wait untill trying again, as I felt a slight itch just before modafinil came to him. To discount any other likelyhood I will ever only try it once more but swim needs to wait. Hopefully someone can enlighten swim on the problem and possible solution.
Hey, I want to give this a try as his revision isn't going too great. Would this increase the boredom "threshold", and be able to revise monotonous subjects without daydreaming and getting distracted, i.e. does it get You more focused even though You isn't really interested in the work? Thanks!
I will refer to SWIM as MMD (Ali G reference...My Mate Dave...) MMD having looked around online and DF about nootropics decided to order some, MMD advises that the no.1 result for modafinil seems to be a good source and noted that it seems in the UK its a prescription drug BUT not controlled so importation is OK. body weight & gender 60KG Male dose taken: MMD broke a 200mg into 100mg MMD said that having ordered Modafinil and armodafinil and reading about the side effect (shitting his pants) decided to lower the dose having noted that people on Erowid and DF seem to have take 100mg. route of administration Swallowed with a glass of water Setting: in what environment it was taken. Univeristy Dorm room (for study at approx 2pm) duration of main effects erm MMD said from 2pm till present MMD will try to sleep after this... main effects MMD took the dose then went out to get a chewing gum from the newsagent the drug kicked in apprx 15-20min after as anticipated on a stomach half full with protein shake and carbs (very light then)... MMD noticed the europhic effect discussed the sun seemed nice everything felt quite cool, this lasted about 1-2h maybe once he sat down to work the effects were no longer noticed (but still present) such was my focus. MMD read 130 pages and made notes on case studies of development economics..) this focus allowed him to stay attached to the desk till 8pm before finishing his work at eating. MMD would advise that drug makes concentrating easy, he still got distracted but it was strange the length was short and some points he was able to flit from reading and day dreaming in the space of seconds whilst not loosing his train of thought regarding the reading. MMD say modafinil is excellent and will post his experiences on armodafinil. This is currently MMD first time using modafinil. MMD doubt he will get addicted the focus MMD gets is not something that can be desribd as recreational, the eurphoria seems to be more like elation and the novelty of your hightened perception, modafinil seems to make you focus a lot more, imagine the difference between being half-asleep and fully awake now image a similar magintude of a difference stacked on top of a waked person this is what modafinil does. MMD has three weeks revising before university exams begin which will last two week I will report on MMD progress in terms of effect and grades to DF. side effects erm MMD says none so far slight headache towards the end MMD interpreted as a sign to move around a bit and get ready for bed you still can tell your tired from body movements MMD says but you feel fully alert after effects rating of the experience good/does as advertised. addictive qualities / abuse potential: MMD doubts it only for work otherwise the focus has no point/other use. any other valuable information will report back on armodafinil soon.
Something how close to 75% of the pilots from the USA flying multiple sorties during 1st few days of Iraq, little sleep/down time...:yes-no:don't get me started on waste of human lives+$$...used Provigil. One of the guys I hired for my "old business" in Mexico was Canadian Special Forces and he said all pilots are given option of using it. So I got some samples from his Doc friends and tried 1/2 tab, yeah SWIM always takes as little as possible to see how the reaction and side effects are. I found out that 1/2 every 3-4 hours worked well. I took 1/2 tab prior to national 4 hour testing & another 1/2 tab at hour 3. SWIM "thinks" it may have helped as he aced the testing. I have many "friends" like SWIM whose schedules do not allow more than 3-5 hours of sleep per night. After all Provigil was prescribed for shift workers. SWIM 6' 210lbs Dosage 100-200mg SWIM noticed it really helps when job demands attention to detail. I do know that I am undiagnosed ADHD
I am still awake swim suffered a migrane and took some paracetamol, I felt better after about 20min this has been the only bad side effect to modafinil use for his first time. I will use modafinil earlier to prevent interference with sleep pattern and have modafinil before 12PM
My friend with chronic fatigue/fibromyalgia tried modafinil (100, 200, and 300mg), and later also tried adrafinil (300mg). The prescription was very expensive, and not covered on insurance. Up to 300 mg of modifinil was positive in terms of energy and concentration. The higher the dose (over 200 mg), the more intense the feeling was. Adrafinil works just fine, but there is a lag in the morning. If she needs an immediate morning boost she adds 50-100 mg of modafinil under the tongue. Due to heart palpitations, she is decaffinated, and was told by her doctor to keep the dose of modafinil as low as possible. When modafinil has a generic in the US and the price is reasonable, she will try and stick with 100 mg or less of modafinil. From what we have read, the adrafinil is not as well-researched, and the modafinil may be safer. She is not trying to stay up all night; just make it through the day without falling asleep.
She has never tried Modafinil, only Adrafinil because her doc won't prescribe it unless she has narcolepsy. Adrafinil is not yet registrerd as a drug, so she ordered some from the internet. She was only taking the 300 mg pill and got what she had hoped for. She told me she had a nightshift, and after 1 hour her haert beat was raising like on amp. She was so much more awake IF she concentrated on something, but she told me she could still probably sleep if she wanted to. The alterness and awakefullness lasted for about 8 hours. Her heart rate went down to normal after 1-2 hours after the peak, and she didn't have any "hangover" or problems sleeping afterwords.
49 year old male 198 lbs. 118/58 BP 54 Pulse Good general health Other drugs used: fentanyl 75 mcg/hr transdermal patch, Lyrica 100 mg. x 2 daily, 3/4 to 2 grams MMJ x daily. Provigil 200 mg prescribed to help off-set the sedation and lack of energy due to chronic narcotic pain med usage. At 8:00 A.M. I took 1 pill via oral route on an empty stomach with approximentally 8 ounces of water. 8:30-definatelly noticing the come-up. Reminds me of a mild meth-style "rush", only at like 1/3 or 1/2 strength. Continues to build over the next 30 minutes or so, until it actually starts to feel a bit uncomfortable. (not physically uncomfortable, I am a former meth addict, so I was starting to really enjoy this!) Decide to hit the MMJ and use approximentally 3/4 of a gram of quality Indica hybrid. 9:00-fully engaged in the experience now! Definite stimulant effects, I would estimate them to be (subjectively speaking) about the same as consuming roughly 1/8 gram of good quality meth. Decided to clean the house. 9:30-definite "tweakiness" about this stuff, I have several different things going at once and I feel quite spacy, but it never quite gets to the level at which you tear apart the TV looking for the hidden camaras. I actually get things done! Plus, while you are preforming a task, you are totally focused on that one thing, and you only get the "spacy" feeling when you are moving from one thing to another. It is hard to determine whether or not the spacy feeling comes from the Provigil, the MMJ (it isn't "normally" spacy in and of itself), or the combination of the two. 10:00-multiple projects, different parts of the house, inside and out. everything is getting done like it was on an assembly line and I am moving like a freaking MACHINE! This stuff is awesome! 10:30-focus like a laser beam. Very task-oriented. Finished cleaning the house am am wandering about looking for more things that need to be done. Consumed another 3/4 gram of MMJ and can feel the marijuana high, without the "dragged down" feeling that is commonly associated with Indica. 11:00-I seem to be at the point where the peak has passed, but the experience is still going strong. Good energy and motivation, clean house. 12:00-Starting to feel a bit aimless or unfocused. however, as soon as I fix my attention on something, the focus comes right back. Energy levels have started to drop. 1:00-Body feels very heavy, but I still have clarity of mind. Decide to do some computer work. 5:00-Where the hell did the time go? Have I really been sitting here for 4 hours? Body is still heavy, but I notice that this goes away somewhat when you get up and start moving around. Mind, however, is still sharp and clear, with little or no diminishing of acuity. I can certainly see why university and college students like this stuff so much. Information acquisition and retention is still elevated at the 9 hour mark. 7:00-Sharp fall-off of effects, but still slightly above baseline. 9:00-I'm done. No noticeable effects at this point. I kill it off with a 4 mg Zanaflex, 10 mg. Melatonin, 100 mg. Lyrica, and another 3/4 gram of MMJ. just to be sure. By 10:00 P.M., I was asleep. Positives: definite marked increase of energy, motivation, and willingness to get irritating tasks done. Focus and concentration are improved by a factor of at least 3 or 4. Nice, short mid-point "high" without getting out of control. No noticeable negative fall-off of effects, they just slowly slip away, nice and easy. No urge to re-dose repeatedly...or at all, for that matter! seems to have also slightly helped out in pain control, but that might just be the stimulant effect. Negatives: bad dry mouth, repeated intake of water didn't help. Minor muscle pain, due to exertion. Heavy body feeling towards the end of the effects, but I just note that and do not complain about it, as it wasn't really all that bad. Synopsis: All in all, I like this stuff! All of the positives with none of the negatives-mild speed buzz with no insatiable desire to re-dose, laser-beam focus and concentration, good energy and motivation, no killer come-down. I'm sold!
All of the particulars are still the same as the above post, but the Fentanyl was dropped to 50 mcg/hr. and my weight is a couple of pounds lighter. After an initial experience as described above, I rapidly came to the conclusion that maybe this stuff isn't all it is cracked up to be. I started out the same way, at 8:00 A.M. and with 200 mg. I experienced an effect that was similar to the one first experienced, only about half strength. The third day was about the same. On the fourth day, however, I felt....nothing. I could literally not tell any difference at all from baseline. I still had the lethargy and lack of motivation that was the original issue. On the fifth day, I took the medication as usual, and an hour later, I was asleep. WTF? Slept for about 2-2 1/2 hours and when I got up, I felt "energized", but not "speedy". It was (I think) how a normal person feels on a normal day. I haven't been normal for a very long time now, so I may be mistaken, but that was my impression. It got me to thinking, though. Day 6-same R.O.A., same procedure, same effect. Maybe this is the way to go? Take the stuff, go back to bed for a couple of hours, and then it works like it was advertised to? I don't know, and unfortunately, may never find out. My insurance has decided that they won't cover this drug and suggested an ADD/ADHD drug instead, even though I don't have ADD/ADHD. I see a huge argument brewing over this between my doctor and the insurance company! My only other choices (what the insuranse company will pay for) are the stims like Adderall, dextro-amphetamine, Methylphenidate, or dexmethylphenidate. Maybe I can get her to go with Desoxyn, if that's the case! Either way, I am still highly interested in Modafinil because of the nootropic activity, but as a drug prescribed for my condition, it has lost its effectiveness quite rapidly.
This is just crazy! After the first week of use, I pretty much quit taking this stuff on a regular basis, because I take it and it puts me to sleep! About 45 to 60 minutes after consuming 200 mg. orally, I am overcome with the intense desire to just go and lay down somewhere and sleep. If I give in, I will sleep for 2 1/2 to 3 hours and when I wake up-nothing. No sense of increased alertness or energy or anything. Any ideas about this?
From what I've heard, people must metabolize provigil very differently - some take hundreds of mgs to get a good effect, others are wired on 50 or 100 mg. Almost everyone develops tolerance - some quickly, others after months, but it's a universal complaint. Almost everyone therefore goes off it for a day or two a week, or a week, or longer. Unpredictable. Most of the time people say it becomes effective again after a brief holiday. I say if he's very tired in the morning and takes Pro to stay alert all day, he often starts to fade in the evening and no matter how much more he stuffs down, it makes less and less of a difference. The take home is to use as little as possible (sometimes difficult because once you're alert, why not be even MORE alert?) and take breaks from it at least once a week.
A friend has similar effects. HE takes it and falls asleep for 8+ (usually around 10-12) hours. He would had fallen asleep anyway even if he hadn't taken it but it only shows that you still have to keep away from the bed. My friend says even if he takes a large dose (200mg) he can still go to sleep if he goes to bed with no problems.
Gender: male Age:21 Weight: 68 Kg Dosage: 200 mg Route: orally I started taking modafinil to boost his mental capabilities. He saw modafinil was very much praised so he decided to give it a shot. He was a bit dissapointed about the results because although he felt the effects they weren´t as intense as expected. He concluded that if taken empty stomach the results would show quite quickly, increased heart rate, wakefulness, a bit of nervousness. It definitely helped SWIM concentrate and study but he didn´t notice any increase in memory let alone "intelligence", plus effects rapidly faded away after less than 2 hours. If taken full stomach effects would take much longer to appear. Last time I took modafinil he was feeling very sleepy. I was expecting to wake up and enter an alert state, but that did not happen. This time I didn´t even feel rapid heart beat although it slightly helped him do some work later. I am considering increasing the dosage to 400 mg. Also he´s read something about armodafinil which seems to be quite similar to modafinil, He thinks drugs affect different depending on who´s taking them. I would like some advice from other members because he wants to really perform well in his coming exams. He is also considering using other drugs such as ritalin or adderal but he thinks they are harder to get in the UK.
I think that the nootropic effects come over time and not after a few doses. Armodafinil is merely a metabolite of Modafinil, but the effects should be the same. I like the ritalin a lot better!
Physicians are now seeing that Modafinil helps chronic/intractable pain patients. They are accepting the fact that the pain meds cause drowsiness etc..
read through a couple of pages in this thread, and by the sounds of it modafinil would be a good alternative to dex-amphetamines and ritalin for study concentration; would any of you reccommend this substance to help with university work? for example if i took 100mg 2 hours before an exam, would it speed up my problem solving/thinking speed? from what i've read the effects seem to be more or less mental stimulation, which seems perfect for work or study (obviously not used in excess- special circumstances e.g. finals or presentations?)
Tried Modifial 200mg daily. Was very functional and mood lifting at first but with extended use it because less nine and causd stomach cramps. I think this is a one off for a time when a fully alert mind would be useful like sduying.
