Experiences Lunesta (Eszopiclone) Experiences

I didnt realise this Eszopiclone produced CEV? Is this because of the dosage causing delirant type effects?

 

Hmm, SWIA doesn't know, he told me he was tripping pretty hardcore. I think that you're probably right about it being more effective as a sleep aid. I have a legit prescription though, and I don't take it for sleep every night, so I'll probably try out this Zopitrip (aren't I cool for coming up with a nifty phrase) thing once a month or so. They were OEV, but it had to be pitch black for them to get really intense, so I suppose it's about the same as CEV. If the room was dimly lit, like with a low watt bulb, SWIA would see things that were almost like wireframe models of things, but very faint. And even in bright light, everything squirmed, which got to be kinda creepy after a while.

 

This is strange, in SWIFantasian's experience he has only experienced two types of hallucination. That accociated with mushrooms, LSD and mescaline which one can see definate shapes and patterns but is aware that they are not real and generally quite enjoys the visuals. And that of Cyclizine a deliriant which produces realistic scary visuals which cannot be seperated from reality. (and DXM and Ket but they were somewhere imbetween)

This experience sounds much more like the former i think i'm going to do some research on this and you's experience.

 

SWIA told me that it reminded him of highish doses of DXM. Both DXM and Lunestas visuals are much more intense in the dark, and barely noticable in the light. He told me that at the peak of the trip, he was seeing people, objects, other crazy things, and even entire landscapes at one point. It was slightly scary at times; a few times he'd see something dark lunge at him, or something similar, but he could just turn on the lights and take a moment to compose himself.

 

I have tried Zopiclone recreationally, and for insomnia. And in his opinion it is really only good for the latter. It can cause effects somewhat like benzos, but really only at higher doses (8-12) mg. I have also had numerous experiences with zopidem (ambien) and zaleplon (sonata), and lunesta is nothing like them.

 

It does vary... I find zolpidem to be *very* relaxing and a pleasant buzz... maybe not "fun" in a recreational sense, but seems to hit the spot in its own unique way (he gets no issues like amnesia, although he never does high doses). He hasn't tried Lunesta.

 

Lunesta experience report(s)...

After going through thirty 10-mg Ambien tablets in four days and experiencing actual physical withdrawals today (remarkably opiate-like, with an extra element of agitation), I am getting away from Ambien completely before he gets in deeper than he can sh*t.

I saw his doctor today and got a script for thirty 3-mg Lunesta tablets. His first experiment will be rectal admin of 1.5mg to see if it brings him down off stimulants the way Ambien does, or if it merely "encourages sleep" ala melatonin. It's classified as a hypnotic (sleep-producing) drug, but not a "sedative/hypnotic" like Ambien. SWIM also hopes to add to the body of experience concluding whether Lunesta has any recreational value or not.

Lunesta is supposedly a melatonin derivative of some sort (so are some very powerful psychedelic tryptamines, so let's not knock it quite yet). The chemical name is eszopiclone (s-zopiclone), and it is the active isomer of Zopiclone (Imovane), thus should have identical effects but require lower dosage levels. Blood levels peak in one hour (with a 6-hour half life) following oral administration. The peak should be much sooner using "the other method."

Lunesta 3mg tablets are small, blue and coated. SWIM cut a tablet in half, crushed it, and dissolved it in 4ml of hot water. The tablets dissolve even more easily than Ambien, and the whole process took less than 30 seconds. Actual administration can be explored in threads dealing with rectal admin, SWIM won't go into it here. He's just using it for a first-time test, since it should take effect more quickly.

Note -- Lunesta is purported to leave a bad taste in the mouth (claims have been both immediately and next-morning). SWIM tasted a tiny drop of the dissolved liquid, and indeed this droplet left a horrible, bitter aftertaste in his mouth that has not gone away after drinking a full glass of water! Perhaps rectal admin will be particularly useful with this substance.

T+3 minutes... the bitter taste lingers in SWIM's mouth after *two* full glasses of water. No notable effects yet.

T+10 minutes... I feel some mild effects, akin to relaxation and cancellation of the buzz he had on MDPV (a stimulant research chemical). His vision is slightly altered in a way that's difficult to describe... those who have used opiates and noted a visual "haze" probably have the general idea. I am glad to see the stuff can apparently cancel stimulants, otherwise he may have acquired some Ambien to use specifically for this purpose (he might do that anyway, as it's *extremely* effective for that, even more so than benzos) . Lunesta does not seem to cause tachycardia (fast heart rate) for SWIM like Ambien does, another plus for use after stimulants.

T+18 minutes... some cognitive slowing noted, including more typing errors than usual and "daydreaming" type pauses during which SWIM drifts into a light daze. Subjectively speaking, this feels stronger than 10mg Ambien, at least in terms of "head-messing" effects. There's a mild (VERY mild) euphoria as well which feels considerably less than what Ambien delivers... it's still too early to come to any conclusions though.

T+25 minutes... time is seeming to pass much faster than usual. This is the first time I have ever felt drowsy while high on stimulants! I enjoyed Ambien primarily for the refined sense of euphoria and relaxation it produced... this stuff might appeal more to those who like a cruder high, ala getting drunk on alcohol. Cognitive slowing is quite pronounced. SWIM dosed lightly with more stimulants to try & overcome it. He's not sure what six hours of this is gonna be like.

T+35 minutes... the bitter taste in SWIM's mouth has not gone away, in fact it's hardly even diminished. It's now obvious why they coat the pills, but it remains to be seen whether the systemic effect can produce this taste the morning after use. Effects seem to have peaked. Much less pleasant than Ambien, perhaps because I don't consider messing up his head like this to be much fun (which is why he rarely drinks). Those who consider "blotto" to be a goal may enjoy this a lot. It could certainly substitute for alcohol in some ways, minus the puking and head spinning effects. I think if he wasn't on stimulants, he would either be asleep or sitting around in a sort of stunned daze. Note that I am basically immune to blackouts and hallucinations from benzos/sleep aids, and can't say if others would be experiencing these effects or not.

I will conclude this report here. Although still too early for an "in retrospect," I am glad he doesn't enjoy Lunesta like he does Ambien. Lying to doctors/pharmacists, risking his @ss buying overseas, paying full retail prices, withdrawals, etc. were starting to raise their ugly heads. SWIM hopes he can stay away from Ambien completely, and use Lunesta solely for (A) insomnia and (B) *rare* stimulant comedown aid, where nothing else is available.

That's all folks. Except for some links for you's research pleasure (don't forget Erowid, the Zopiclone entry should cover both zopiclone and eszopiclone).


http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/PUarticles/3.htm

http://tinyurl.com/yx6mya
http://tinyurl.com/y65kfp
http://tinyurl.com/y4rs57
http://tinyurl.com/tbxez

 

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I tried two other 0.75mg doses over the course of the evening/morning (the cool thing about this substance is that very low doses are well over the effects threshold, even 1/4 of a 3mg tablet, which helps a lot in terms of conserving a month's script). Note that the normal starting dose for sleep is 2mg, but presenting oneself to the doctor as a "hard case" would probably be an easy bump up to 3.

SWIM confirms that Lunesta is an excellent comedown aid for stimulants, although it does cause some drowsiness and more cognitive slowing than Ambien. Its effectiveness for this purpose at 1/2 to 1/4 the amount typically used for sleep, along with the likelihood of being less addictive than benzos, makes it an ideal choice in SWIM's opinion. He would only caution: Make sure You is not highly sensitive to memory blackouts and/or hallucinations from sleep aids (if so, benzos are probably still the best choice).

Edit -- one final (interesting) link:

http://tinyurl.com/ynzdhw

 

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Welll SWIdr is prescribed lunesta (The price is OUTRAGIOUS though) for insomnia, and has tried it orally to see its abuse potential and has even taken up to 28mg without very much euphoria and just alot of drowsiness. Rectal administration seems like it might be better for abuse potention and will save SWIdr more mula, so he might want to try this method. Thanks SWInicaine for posting this valueable info, much appreciated!

 

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Quote from link: "The data indicate that (S)-desmethylzopiclone can bring about an anxiolytic effect without a substantial degree of central nervous system depression, and suggest that the agent may be particularly useful clinically in the treatment of anxiety."


Very interesting as I find it very effective for anxiety as well as sleep (Zopiclone)

Thanks for the link.

 

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Can You say what the duration of effects was? Cheers

 

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YW... ditto SWIM. Maybe too effective, he really should be saving it for sleep but lately has been taking it for its anxiolytic and mild euphorigenic effects. Luckily his insomnia problems have decreased lately, and he can often get to sleep without the aid of pills.

 

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ooooh SWIdr script for eszopiclone just became a whole lot more attractive after looking at your link SWInicaine! SWIdr has done some research now on eszopiclone and is now very interested in its effects. SWIdr is now going to submit some experiences when it comes to this drug now since this new discovery!

 

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I have just recently experimented w/ Lunesta. It was very interesting.

I've heard some people hate it, some like the experience.

9:30 I took 4 2mg Lunesta pills.

9:45 A feeling of drunkenness comes upon, and thankfully no nausea.

10:15 After watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force, I go to bedroom.

10:20 A whirling feeling arises and it seems as if people are behind SWIM.

10:25 The effects of a mild acid trip ensue; rippling, condesning, expansion

10:30 Intense hallucinations start, SWIM stares at bed and ghostly

apparitions appear, slowly coming towards SWIM. Some had the faces of

owls, wolves, and lizards. Very cool. SWIM puts head into blankets and

faces of angry men submerge from a deep, dark cave.

11:00 SWIM lies in bed and dozes off.

Also: I had no rough come-down/hang-over. (Poosibly because SWIM

took pills w/ 5 minute intervals?) Bitterness in mouth lasted for about 15

minutes until I used Listerine.

Has anyone experienced something of the sort?

 

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Any other you's have experiences/reports to contribute?

 

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SWIM called in sick today and decided to finish up SWIM's BOL (Bag o' Lunesta- reamining: 16 mg-- 2x3mg, 5x2mg) As SWWWWWWWIM's typing, I am under the influence of 16 mg (ALOT) of Lunesta (Eszopiclone). swim really has lost control of coordination, memory has gone to shit (so u could pretty much say I am wasted w/o drunken visuals). SOme haallucations, but SwiLAZA is too woozy to explain, even thoguh most are unexplainable. Memoery is pretty much clogged w/ a cork and SwiLAZA has been really hazely lately. It was fun + recreational the first few times, but now its becoming a bitch on my memory. I'm stopping soon b4 addiction, which'll be like a whore in a burlap sack.

 

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SWIM drops/plugs Lunesta so regularly now that he no longer has anything to report -- to him it's a mildly relaxing tonic that (strangely enough) he doesn't crave or have problems with if/when he runs out of his monthly prescription early. Typical daytime dose for I am half a Lunesta tablet whenever he feels in the mood for it. More than that tends to make him somewhat drowsy, although in a tame/harmless sort of way -- as if he could take 5 or 10 Lunestas and it wouldn't have any dramatic results aside from a half-hour snooze on the couch.

It mixes very well with kratom, and even better with "uppers" (takes the edge off for SWIM better than clonazepam by a long shot). Lunesta has become a "staple," but thankfully doesn't produce the sort of euphoria Ambien did for him (or he would be doing dumb sh*t like doctor shopping, etc... SWIM's biochemistry LOOVVEEDD Ambien).

Lunesta does still leave a bad taste in SWIM's mouth from time to time, and although this can be gotten used to it never actually gets pleasant. This too helps keep SWIM's daily dosage within reasonable limits. He's been running out of his monthly script about a week early lately, which isn't too bad.

P.S. despite regular, during-the-day use of Lunesta, I have no memory problems whatsoever... as far as he can determine, his brain's as sharp as a tack. I am probably on about 6mg of Lunesta at this very moment -- anyone here get the impression that he's 'out of it' in some way? But SWIM's biochemistry has turned decidedly weird over the last few years... it's almost like his liver/kidneys have become so efficient, they clear substances out the instant he ingests them. Impossible of course, but *something* strange has been going on.

 

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I was perscribed Lunesta ( eszopiclone) and SWIM can back up everyone else with the insane price. Lunesta didnt quite do the trick for SWIM, he hasnt ever tried Ambien (Zolpidem) but Lunesta was nothing compared to benzos. SWIM's doctor gave him 1mg pills and I could take 3 and would feel a little effect, not too weird though. If you want to take this for sleep reasons You should take it 30min before they sleep or else it wont work. I had alittle bit of Euphoria but nothing too special.

I am guessing it is the mildest side of the non-benzo class besides Rozeram. Which is good for dependance. SWIM fealt almost no addictive nature in Lunesta.

 

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I have found that Lunesta induces sleep effectively at 3-6mg, but wakes SWIM up about 5 hrs later. Reminds SWIM of GHB in that respect, though not in any other.

 

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Lunesta does not leave SWIM with a hangover which is why I like it. SWIM works erratic hours and needs to sleep when the opportunity presents and wake up clear headed. For SWIM, lunesta serves this purpose, though it is not that helpful for a long sleep..
It also seems to do a good job canceling out the effects of stimulants on the comedown.