Experiences Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) Experience Reports

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Kratom is makes a great pacifier for compulsive users off all kinds of things. Therein lies its greatest virtue...
MDPV would be a lousy choice for a pacifier...

 

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I found his first sub-dosed experiences, ~2mg,with MDPV to be quite heavy in the heart, feeling some kind of pressure / incomfort in the heart region, will the heartbeat itself was not that high. Then again, I had been chewing coca at high doses as usual ( + 20gm or so), and was physically tired so it is hard to know. I have no particular background of cardiac problems, and is rather fit, and doesn't smoke. he is thinking of having this checked out one of these days.

 

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Keep using coca/cocaine & you'll get there eventually...

 

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probably. SWIM rarely uses cocaine.
This is a very interesting statement, which leads SWIM to slide off topic for a second.
Would You by any chance have any info on the cardiac issues related to coca ? This is one of the facts that I have been looking for, yet it seems absent in even the most biased studies of traditional coca chewers.
Do regular coca chewers develop the typical cardiac complications of cocaine users, or does the low cocaine content of coca leaves, the gradual delivery of the alkaloids into the bloodstream implied by buccal absorption and the composition of the coca alkaloid cocktail itself downplay this health issue ?
Most coca chewers chew coca daily all their lives, yet it is hard to distinguish coca chewing related health issues from those related to general living conditions.
Do you have info on this particular question ?

sorry for the off topic slide, maybe these two posts should be moved to the cocaine section.

b

 

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Chewing coca leaves has not been correlated with cardiac disease as far as I know, probably because it is high dose use that damages heart muscle, and chewing leaves is low dosage use. However, in combination with MDPV, there could be an additive or synergistic effect which might amount to the same stress caused to the heart as a higher dose of cocaine.. Or worse, there could be some other kind of adverse reaction going on. Best to avoid this combo in the future...

 

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Yes, I believe this is the case. SWINicaine mentioned a "plodding" MDPV related heart rhythm. Prolonged coca chewing, at high dosages, seems to induce a very slight tachycardia - ie physically noticeable, but once measured via stethoscope, actually not that impressive- unless mixed with alcohol, as cocaethylene does become part of the picture, even if the cocaine dosage is low and progressively delivered- this combo does put a lot more stress on the system - which one will certainly feel the day after...
One thing SWIM forgot to mention was that he did have a little alcohol in his blood, as he had just gotten in from playing a concert... Ah, the habitus / addiction of social drinking...He wasn't thinking of the interactions, which in retrospect seem quite potentially heavy on the cardiac system.
I understand and agrees how this kind of interaction might turn out to be problematic. I was trying out a low dose of MDPV, but the heart pressure stopped him from wanting to redose then.
He has since then retried a little MDPV, with no potential cocaethylene in the bloodstream, and experienced no discomfort, even with some alcohol in the blood stream, which leads him to pinpoint the infamous-yet so pleasurable- cocaethylene factor...

 

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Yeah sorry, I just included coca without thinking - it requires a decent sized dose of a local anaestheyic to be circulating in the blood to impair transmission of impulses from the sino-arterial node (pacemaker) and chewing coca is never going to reach those sort of concentrations

 

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SWIM doubts it would be a problem in slowing or stopping the heart rhythm, but there is also some toxicity to the myocardium with higher doses of cocaine and other stimulants, so perhaps the additive effects could be a problem. Who knows - most my here will be dead before good long term data exists on MDPV, if ever.

 

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coming back to the MDPV, SWIM's gibbons must conclude that they haven't had anything really positive so far - using insufflation through metered sprays- having toyed around the 3/4mg. Stimulation, yes, an "eye opener" shall we say, feeling more awake but no motor stimulation, and no feeling of a dopamine kick-ie being more talkative, horny, enthusiastic. More of a coffee slightly edgy irritated feeling, good as an alertness "pick swim up" but not really pleasant from a mental point of view- makes one feel rather less motivated and ready to walk home rather than push the night a little further. Should swim's gibbons pump up the (liquid) vollume ? must say that the spray is not that precise as I was slightly anxious about the potential dangers of the dilution, and added a few mls for comfort. 10 sprays roughly equal a little under 1mg.
now maybe this is just swim's gibbons response to the substance, or a mental state issue, but must say that the gibbs were expecting more from a stim acting on dopamine, as they found their experiences with stimulants like cocaine, coca, amphetamines, and less specific ones such as MDMA, methylone and more quite pleasurable. Are the gibbons stuck at a threshold ? or do other pets feel a dopamine kick at low doses as well ?

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yous doses are really low to fully appreciate the effect. oral onset is fast, BTW, and insufflated doses could be higher, though starting low is a good idea. also, maybe a little more concentrated solution would lessen the amount of material dripping into the throat. I started with 5mg orally and built from there usually to about 10 - 15 mg, then would put it away. I did not insufflate this material after trying a few times and finding it not much better than oral onset.
That said, there are way better stims out there than MDPV. I have not really had any of this intense euphoria or or turned into a porn star from this drug. Rather, I have found the stimulation short-lived with frequent cravings for more, sorta like methylone, and only longer lived stimulation with redosing, also sorta like methylone. Good stuff to clean up the house in lower doses, not good for those seeking the intense, teeth gritting euphoria of good meth - at least not for SWIM, though some would beg to differ.

 

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Swim says he finds MDPV a wonderful compund for getting things done, like cleaning the flat, getting long boring e-mails written and sent and working through shitloads of Uni-grade maths at hyperspeed. The lack of euphoria is almost concieved as positive by me as it doesn't distract him from the task at hand. The only hint of euphoria it possesses, it actually shares with another much less useful substance, namely Satans own fav stimulant - ephedrine. This euphoria is the so called "motion euphoria", that I experience. I.e it feels extra good for SWIM to take a fast walk. (FIY: I get depressed by ephedrine if not constantly in motion). However, YMMV as usual.

The biggest problem for I am that he gets was he concludes to be "depletion of dopamine" after even a single dose of ~10-15 mg MVPD (either intranasal och rectally, where the latter comes with a slight kick not associated with the physical procedure!). This feeling of depletion remains for a few days and keeps him unmotivated, tired, and with a decreased cognitive function (i.e. noticably increased stupidity, wich can be VERY noticable in a Uni-setting). No craving for food whatsoever is noticed during or afterwords. Altogheter it resembles the state his lab rats would find themselves in after usage of any of the common amphetamines, for some reproduction or fat-burning in the wheel, although weaker but more prolonged. This quickly leads to SWIM taking on an appearance resembling that of the early stages of a crackfiend, wich is defenitly not sought after as even days after use drug-naïve people says things to SWIM like "What the fuck is up with you, really? You look as if your about to die, seriously!", wich of course makes me sad. Even I can see what they meen- SWIM looks pale, skinny, tired and his eyes does not really send out the message "healthy", if you know what I mean.

So, any tips on rebuiliding dopamine levels a bit faster wich I can pass on to SWIM? I heard about l-DOPA, but it seemed to have some side effects I'm not sure I would apprecciate. But please tell me more about it if you like and have some knowledge, and feel free to let me know of other remedies you guys might know of if you have some spare time.

Thanks for reading if you made it all the way here

 

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Well from reading about other peoples experiences om other forums, this seems to be a minority opinion of MDPV's effect on libido etc

If sex isn't the primary reason for consuming MDPV, then a much better replacement would seem to be desoxypipradrol (2-(alpha, alpha-diphenylmethyl)piperidine), as reported on one of the other drug discussion boards; no physical side effects (only mild at 20mg, which is a very large dose with no tolerance) yet strong clear mental stimulation with more general euphoria than MDPV

 

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I find that what little increase in libido from this molecule is accompanied by increasing difficulty maintaining an erection. The same can be said for SWIM and BZP, only BZP is worse. The latter never fails to prevent an erection no matter what. MDMA has done this too, though I have not used any in a long time. MDPV is not as bad as BZP, but makes an erection harder to maintain - I have to really concentrate on it. When not on MDPV, I have the opposite problem (I go too long for partner and maintains tumescence..). The transient erectile dysfunction is a SERIOUS buzzkill and I do not think it is worth combining with viagra to overcome it. I feel that if SWIM's unit doesn't work, best stay away from the cause of the malfunction. I will still use MDPV as a stimulant in productive and tedious tasks, but never for sex. Fastandbulbous - I saw desoxypipradrol mentioned on another forum that You frequents. Is this something that has ever even been available, or is it a hypothetical option at this point? I am not a practicing chemist and does not plan to become one, clandestine or otherwise, so would not be able to acquire it ... thanks for the suggestion though...

 

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It is available, but only through custom synthesis at the moment. That said something with it;s potential & profile is bound to become more visible at some point.
Although the Research Chemical market seems primarily concerned with psychedelics, it wouldn't have too much disaster potential if they included a bit more CNS stims & dissociatives as well. The day they include strong CNS depressants or mu agonist opioids is the day I turn against it in principal (GBL has had me seriously thinking about it though and it's lack of responsibility)

 

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I am completely with you. same thing for swim.
keeps at 1-1.5 mg no more.
helps concentrating.
kills the appetite.
very euphoric
another great thing: lacks in physical side effects like hyperthermia and increased heartrate.

well...better than most stimulants...
lacks with side effects...apart a short-living camedown that make swim redose...
in particular, swim's first time, the came down was a blast, carving for redosing...(and redosing of course is useful)...but is strange..the carving depression part is very short...you just have to wait a bit...(if your will can)
and the bad passes...nothing like methylone that has 1 day of down...

keep low doses..MDPV can be great!

@fastandbulbous :"It is available, but only through custom synthesis at the moment"====>> are you talking about MDPV??