Experiences Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) Experience Reports

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

In SWIM's experience, MDPV is (a little bit) more effective when taken orally..

 

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In what sense? Better/longer effects? Less quantity required for effects? Less comedown? Please elaborate.

 

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Little less quantity to required for effects. However, after thinking about it, I think that because of the low dose, maybe some MDPV got stuck somewhere in SWIM's nose without ever reaching SWIM's brain?

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

The experience a giant bipedal armadillo (who will be referred to as A from hereon in) told me in a dream:

A: 150lbs, 24, male

A had a bowl of breakfast, a glass of juice, a multivitamin and 400mg of piracetam about an hour before dosing.

A weighed out 6mg (+/-2mg) of MDPV. He snorted about 2/3 of his measurement. He then decided to go to the bathroom and wait a few minutes before finishing the rest. He had sampled this substance sublingually and orally in the past but this was the first time snorting.

While in the bathroom, he notices a definite but not super strong mood lift. He wants something more though so he finishes the other 1/3 up the other nostril (about 10 minutes after first dose). It doesn't hurt to inhale. The drip lasts for about 10 minutes and is pretty gross but tolerable. After that, the sinuses are clearer than before administration.

The next couple of hours are rather uneventful. His good mood persists. There is some stomach discomfort. He does some work. He wonders about MDPVs aphrodisiac properties. That property seems to be lacking for this armidillo.

At about the two hours mark, A makes himself a cup of green tea, in anticipation of a comedown soon. He hopes it may have some relaxing effect and will give antioxidants. The cup of tea, however, seems to make A more stimulated. He also has to go to the bathroom frequently, for both numbers 1 and 2.

At hour 3, A realizes he hasn't really eaten for about 4 hours. He hasn't any desire to. So he makes himself a smoothie.

By hour 5, A still feels more or less the same as since the cup of tea. Mood lift and stimulation. The frequent bathroom trips were getting ridiculous so he took some peptobismol.

Perhaps around hour 8, A is pretty down. This could be because he hasn't accomplished much during the day and his evening plans got cancelled. Or maybe it's the comedown. For about an hour or so, he lays in bed and ponders and feel very unmotivated. After eating, he feels better and gets some stuff done.

12 hours after dosing, he feels fine, not high nor low. He takes 100mg 5-htp to help with sleep in a bit.

At t + 13:00 he vapourizes a couple bowls of marijuana. He is expecting and hoping to sleep soon. But he just keeps thinking about things.

T + 14:00 still not asleep. Takes 1.5mg melatonin sublingually. Within the next 30 minutes he has a long and deep sleep.

The next day: A feels fine.

Positive effects: mood lift, energy, no change in pupil size
neutral: suppressed appetite
Negative: stomach upset (could've been something A ate), frequent bathroom trips, difficulty sleeping (this happens to A occasionally anyway), period of unmotivatedness (again, A sometimes experiences this anyway)

Overall: A probably won't snort this again. The frequent bathroom trips were ridiculous. A wanted to go out at some points but felt he should be near a toilet at all times (at least until about an hour after he'd take the peptobismol). Not terrible experience, not good either. 5/10?

 

Re: First Time using Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV)

Sorry about that, I was using my phone and it's never as easy as a pc!

I realised after I posted it that it was in the wrong place - maybe someone can move it?

Believe it or not, I did search the forum for other MDPV experiences, I obviously clicked through on the wrong link

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

Date of experience - 12th January 2010

This report details the FIRST TIME experience based upon a single 7mg dose (insufflated) of Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) by my housemate's dog, Helsing. He feels that there isn't enough information on the Internet about MDPV and so dictated this report to me. He hopes that someone finds it useful.

ABOUT HELSING

Helsing is 33 years old (in dog years), he weighs in at 149lbs (he's hides it well) and has been using and abusing substances regularly for 3 years now. He used to swear by lots and lots Cocaine, MDMA, Ketamine and party biscuits (should have called him Jay Edgar!) but since being introduced to 4-Methylmethcathinone (Mephedrone) by the neighbors’ dog Speedy the Whippet five months ago, he has developed quite an appetite for it, consuming between 1.5g - 2g EVERY weekend. However, he got greedy 2 weekends ago and woofed down 2.7g of Mephedrone in 20 hours - he felt fine but he had spotted the early signs of vasoconstriction (poor circulation) so he's vowed to never exceed 2g in future.

WHY MDPV?

Whilst ordering some more Mephedrone (2g only), Helsing spotted that the website he uses, were selling another substance called Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV), after a nose around Google, he was satisfied he knew what it was (roughly) and purely because he's a curious little chap, he added one gram to his order.

SETTING

Helsing got in from work at about 5pm (how else do you think he can afford this stuff?), and there was a small Jiffy bag waiting for him on the doormat. Inside were two small re-sealable bags, both clearly labeled and with the usual 'NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION' which Helsing ignored (he's a dog remember). Soon after, myself and my housemate (Helsing's owner) had also got home from work and had joined Helsing on the sofa in the lounge. We all had a pint of lager each and Helsing had an Indian Takeaway.

After dinner, Helsing ran out to his kennel and came back in with his scales and other 'drug' paraphernalia to make life easier. Personally, I think he just likes playing with gadgets!

PREPERATION

This was an unplanned experience as Helsing had been planning to try MDPV on Friday night - however the temptation proved to be too great.

On top of the lack of preparation, only 48 hours had passed since Helsing had been shoveling in the Mephedrone (consuming 2g in 24 hours, starting at 6pm on Saturday), although thanks to his super K9 powers (or pure luck) he doesn't suffer from nasty comedowns. That said his body wasn't quite back to 100%. You get the picture!

Usual preparations for any planned drug use are almost ongoing really (when you're a frequent user) and they include very simple things:

Getting plenty of sleep
Eating really healthily
Drinking lots of water (3 liters per day)

Think of your body as if it were a car (what do dogs know about cars?) - If you don't put the correct fuel in, never have it serviced and yet you drive it flat out everywhere - You'll *break it!

TOP TIP #1 - To prevent or at the very least, lessen the side effect of grinding your teeth, Helsing takes a Calcium & Magnesium supplement, twice a day or as directed on the label - but only 2 days prior and on the day he starts. These are available on the High Street in health food stores (or online).

TOP TIP #2 - To ease any comedown effects, Helsing takes just two 5-HTP caplets on the morning after. These are also available on the High Street in health food stores (or online).

DOSAGE - CRITICALLY IMPORTANT

Helsing (who is no lightweight) had a single 7mg dose, which was Insufflated @ 5.25pm.

Helsing weighed this dose and EVERY single dose he administers using scales - even though he probably could get it correct by eye, why risk it?

MDPV demands your respect. MDPV is effective at such small doses that it can be very easy to overdose. Helsing strongly recommends that you buy some. They may just save your life!! As with all substances ALWAYS DOSE LOW AND RE-DOSE.

THE EXERIENCE

Snorting the MDPV seemed the simplest way to administer the drug. Helsing was also pleased to report that it wasn't unpleasant. He said that it had the faintest of odors, and likened in to mint - if anything at all.

T+30 mins - Helsing couldn't 'feel' any buzz/rush effects yet (as with Mephedrone) but he say that his mouth had dried up. We also noticed that he was get chatty!

T+60 mins - Helsing was experiencing what is probably the main effect of MDPV - a high level of concentration and focus, he had become transfixed with the laptop and was flat out on Facebook! We had lost him, lol. Occasionally, he would interact with us, but he was super focused and this would last for HOURS!!

T+120 mins - Helsing was finally off of Facebook, but now he was writing an email. Writing and re-writing, he was meticulous, continually reading it through, editing it, reading it through again, editing it some more. Helsing spend the next 4 hours writing an essay, when the reply only required a couple of lines.

T+360 mins - It's now 11.25pm. Six hours after administering the dose, and there is no let up for Helsing. He's not having a bad time, but he would admit later, that he was aware that he was typing far too much and ultimately is was all unnecessary, but he couldn't stop himself. Helsing leaves the lounge and heads for bed... upon entering his kennel however, he spots his iPhone and discovers another email in his inbox. He can't put it down...

T+480 mins - At 1.30am, and following two whole hours of finger tapping, Helsing is just finishing off his reply to the email on his iPhone. It's another unnecessary essay.

T+500 mins - At 1.50am Helsing calls his boss and says he won't be in work tomorrow. His boss wasn't delighted. Helsing then removes every possible distraction to him, turns the kennel light out and goes to bed but can still feel the MDPV being pumped around his system, Helsing calls this the Encore!!

THE ENCORE

What the hell is the encore?? It's the nice sensation you experience (hopefully) between going to bed and falling asleep. Helsing explains

"It's the feeling you get when you've been going hard at it for 24-36 hours but eventually you accept that you really should go to bed. This is when the encore kicks in, you get comfy under the duvet and you just want to sleep forever, but your body hasn't finished yet and your heart is still doing 150bpm with your system full of drugs - welcome to your encore - it can be frustrating coz you're tired, but it's really a positive sensation, it's warm and fuzzy and tingly and maybe lasts for another hour or so until you finally drop off. It always brings a grin to my face in a 'I got away with that again' kind of way."

T+530 mins - It's 2.20am now and this is the last time Helsing remembers looking at the clock.

THE COMEDOWN?

Well, there wasn't really a comedown.

Helsing did mention that he had a very mild headache that only affected the area around his eyes (similar to an alcohol induced headache - but much milder) HOWEVER, Helsing thinks that this was more likely to have been brought on by 6-7 hours of typing (including 3 on his iPhone) WITHOUT wearing his reading glasses!!! He's an idiot.

SUMMARY OF EFFECTS

All the usual 'Research Drug' effects are to be expected.

Helsing experienced the following effects in a very mild way... Dehydration, gurning/Bruxism, insomnia, euphoria, dilated pupils, raised blood pressure, increased heart rate

The big effect of MDPV... Concentration/focus levels go off the scale - Expect to only concentrate on one thing a time.

HELSING'S CONCLUSION

Helsing counts this as a positive experience. Next time he would want to try re-dosing and also hide his laptop and iPhone so that he doesn't just spend 8 hours typing!!

Mephedrone remains unthreatened, but then the two drugs are like chalk and cheese and not in competition. Helsing believes that MDPV should be considered more of a study aid. So if you've got a pile of emails to write, or a CD collection to re-organize, look no further than MDPV.

MDPV represent good value for money too. With potentially 200 doses from each gram. Also as the dose is so small it should last a long time too!

 

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A monkey possessed me to type in his place:
Firstly, I'd like to say whether relevant or not, I think I'm immune to the effects of cocaine, since I have never been able to feel what my friends always do, even after railing half gram lines e.t.c
I wake up at Tuesday 2pm and get the MDPV, I feel really groggy and just want to go back to bed, and I have to hand a contract in to a landlord.
14.20: I snort ~5mg, and don't really feel anything, so about 10 minutes later I repeat.
T+10 mins: I feel a lot more energetic, not tired at all, impressed with the stimulant qualities.
T+15 mins: I can't help shaking my leg, my friend comes over and I'm telling him I'm ready to go hand the letter in, I can't wait to get outside and have a walk and a cigarette.
T+20 mins: I dab about 5mg on my gums to keep me going on the road.
T+50 mins: Considering I insufflated and expected the high to last about an hour or so, I'm satisfied in that I have no desire to redose and just feel fine.
I will say, however, that I am surprised that I feel absolutely no euphoria, or rush of sorts, at all. It's a hidden buzz, I just feel energetic and motivated to actually get off my arse and do things.
T+130 mins: It's been a while since I last dosed, but I still feel fine.
I decide maybe I need to sniff a higher amount to feel any euphoria (I just vaguely remember reading on erowid people mentioning an MDMA-like buzz which I have sought since July 2009 now).
I insufflate 10mg and sit in my room with my friends.
T+140 mins: I feel my chest tightening, but decide not to worry or provoke any possible panic attack, and now I feel the social aspect of the drug, still not feeling any physical effects I find myself not being able to stop chatting.
T+200 mins: I realise I've been motor mouthing for an hour now, but surprisingly I haven't had a problem with dry-mouth and the need to constantly be sipping water unlike other stims I take. My chest is still tight, which puts me off taking any more for a while.
~20:00: I haven't taken any in a long while but have just been talking with my friend, who rarely uses drugs, who I've convinced to try a bump. Without any empathogenic feelings I notice we had been talking for hours about quite personal matters that neither one of us have ever brought up before.
A general feeling of contentness.
~22:00: We go to a flat party, despite my desire to do nothing but talk I find I am not 'loved up' in any sense and avoid talking to people I don't know unlike on mephedrone.
~01:00: I am impressed with the lack of desire to redose, I've heard the drug is addictive, but I feel like I'm ready to go to sleep, but my flatmate is drunk and wants to chat, so I decide to give us both a bump to try and sharpen him up so he isn't slurring so much. - I know how excuses like this can be seen as an inner fiending, but I'm pretty confident when I look back in retrospect at events, I can tell whether I was fiending or not, thanks to mephedrone abuse and addiction -
08:00: My friend leaves to go into university, and we both do a bump to wake ourselves up and prepare for the next few hours. I don't feel as energetic or productive as before, and have probably consumed about ~80mg now, without really realising.
I notice mild hallucinations, probably sleep deprivation but then I realise I've not even been awake 24 hours.
I decide to take this time to rest and try to sleep, instead of trying to do anything, just to make sure I don't feel any rough effects.
12:00: absolutely no desire to re-dose, I'm glad, however I'm still wide awake. It's only now I realise this stimulant can affect you for over EIGHT hours.
18:00: 10 hours since my last dose, and have been awake for 28 hours, getting concerned as to why I'm not tired at all.
I start to feel physically drained, and feel a slight headache. It's a mephedrone comedown, without the fiending driving you mad.
18:30: Ok, now I notice redose desire kicking in, but I don't want to take the drug for any of it's positive attributes, I just want to get rid of my headache and give myself enough energy to get some weed so I can hopefully sleep in 8 hours time.
I decide I'll try smoking it through a bong. I feel different effects, almost a slight body tingle, but my chest is very tight and slightly worries me, and I'm very short for breath.
07:00: Still awake...

Pretty much, from there, I stayed awake doing 3 more bumps of MDPV stretched around times mephedrone had ran out from going out with my friends, and I didn't sleep until -Saturday Morning-
The longest I've ever stayed awake, but it felt a lot smoother than other binges, I only started hallucinating in the last few hours, but abdominal pains are strong from where I haven't eaten since the Monday night.
For me, at least, the drug is a utility one, a bump upon waking would sort me out for the day and allow me to sleep, but I'd rather not get dependant on taking a drug to motivate myself as badly as I need it, despite it's cheapness.

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Quick note, on another day I need to pull an all-nighter to finish a report, so I pull out the MDPV, and try chasing it on tin foil. Energy rush, allowed me to finish the report but a strong desire to keep chasing more and more, even though my chest was getting tighter, and I didn't really feel any positive effects except being awake.
I'm here now at 09:02 not having slept and still wanting to keep on going, I think I might flush it.
Smoking definitely isn't the one for me
Sorry about the long report :S

 

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Two detailed MDPV experiences, sub-lingual and smoked, by a SWIM of mine. Edited for length, this SWIM tends to be long-winded, fussy, and somewhat repetitive. I would say that most comments were made at the time indicated; a few comments bolded and in brackets were added later.

MDPV is described by vendor as 'a light tan coloured fine powder'. To SWIM it appears as a slightly clumpy pure white powder. Not tan. See photo. Sticks to things, and somewhat difficult to manipulate in the tiny quantities at which this drug is active.

I am a 75 kg male rhinograde, age 58.
Height: when standing on its nose (see user pic), the rhinograde is 178 cm, 5' 10", or .00884 furlongs tall.
Drug used at home, alone.
SWIM's prior drug experiences: tobacco, caffeine, alcohol; a surprisingly wide array of psychoactive drugs over a lifetime, some prescribed, some obtained, some synthesized, some grown. None taken for more than a few doses, except for caffeine (daily), alcohol (rarely), tobacco and marijuana (neither since the 1970s). SWIM's daily medications are 2 grams of Omega-3 oil, 650 mg choline bitartrate, 3200 mg piracetam, and a multivitamin/mineral tab. He has no known major medical problems.
Last Research Chemical taken: methylone 5 days before.

First experience: sublingual administration.
Total dose: 18.5 mg in divided doses, measured on 0.001 g scale.

t-1:05 Test dose of 0.5 mg MDPV taken sublingually. No apparent effect in 1 hour.

t=0.00 HR 72. 6 mg taken sublingually. Taste is bitter and unpleasant, but tolerable.

t+0:06 Effects? Shulgin +/-.

t+0:17 HR 72. Mild effects. Feeling very slightly 'high', just a little off SWIM's baseline cognitive state. No real euphoria, but the feeling isn't unpleasant. Thoughts seem clear. Shuglin +. Incidentally, I have mild tinnitus. Many CNS stimulants decrease this, but so far in this experience, SWIM's tinnitus is unchanged.

t+0:46 HR 84. No subjective change in cognition. Checking porn: no more or less engaging than usual. No aphrodisiacal effects so far.

t+1:00 2nd 6 mg dose sublingually.

t+1:05 HR 88. Feeling of fullness about the forehead. Very mild euphoria. Hands cold (but SWIM's whole house is cold). So far, none of the stomach discomfort others have reported. I have mild intermittent stomach pain with other CNS stimulants, such as mephedrone and methcathinone, but so far, none with MDPV. Still SWIM's usual tinnitus. The 'focused' feelings others have reported? Maybe a little.

t+1:35 HR 104. Mild tremor. Mild euphoria, sense of well-being. Still good clarity of thought. Body is comfortable. ['Comfort of the body' is something I experience with many CNS stimulants. It may be partly a vague analgesic effect lessening the minor aches and pains of middle-age, partly euphoria that distracts SWIM from minor body discomforts, or something else.]

t+2:00 Third and final 6 mg dose taken sublingually. This drug takes a surprisingly long time to come on when taken by sublingual route. Next time I will try insufflation. [Note: I did not do this.]

t+2:36 HR 120. Mildly increased euphoria. Tremor. Pleasurable feelings about the body. Checking porn: somewhat more intriguing, but nothing like the blowout aphrodisiacal exprierience others have reported. Tinnitus reduced, but not silent, as with some other CNS stimulants. So far, a very pleasurable experience.

t+2:59 HR 120, hyperdynamic, strong and regular. Mild euphoric. Tremulous. Thoughts still seem clear. Comfort of the body. Feeling of well-being. Unlike some other CNS stimulants such as mephedrone and methylone, urination is easy. A little more aphrodisiacal feelings. Mild restlessness, not unpleasant. This is probably near the peak. So far, a pleasant experience without marked problems. In other circumstances, the rapid and hyperdynamic heartbeat or the tremulousness might be uncomfortable, but there seems to be just enough euphoria to override those feelings. Still, I don't want to push those sensations further, doesn't intended to redose further or increase the experience at this point. Not morish.

t+3:23 HR 120. Some anxiety. I am a little worried that he might have taken too much drug.

t+3:51 Mild nausea.

t+7:28 HR 84. SWIM still feels good. Very mildly high, no real euphoria but feeling pleasant, not crashing. Tremulous and cold. Anxiety and nausea noted above never amounted to much, and resolved quickly. Feelings that he took too high a dose have resolved. I would like to redose, but wants to be able to sleep tonight, so he won't. If everything comes out okay, perhaps he will repeat the experience tomorrow.

t+9:20 HR 88. Less tremor, a little less coldness. Mentally fuzzy.

t+9:45 Increasingly fidgity, restless, uncomfortable, sad, unhopeful, mentally cloudy. Stomach growling, but not hungry yet. Eating something anyway.

t+12:26 HR 84 Still mentally sluggish. Less tremor, less cold. Feeling generally lousy. Feeling the whole experience wasn't worth it.

t+13:18 Feeling a little less flaky, but jittery, restless, doesn't know what to do with himself, worried he won't be able to get to sleep. A little nauseated after eating a banana; can't exercise. Zero urge to redose. Not moreish -- lessish! God, get SWIM out of this annoying drug!

t+14:58 HR 80 Mentally feeling almost back to normal, but pulse is still a little fast and heart feels hyperdynamic. To bed.

t+22:00 HR 72. SWIM still feels mildly speedy, twitchy (annoying, not euphoric), but mentally clear. Despite misgivings, slept fairly well.

Second experience: smoking
Total dose: 13 mg in divided doses, measured on 0.001 g scale. However, SWIM's smoking skills are not good, much drug was undoubtedly lost into the air.

t-0:06 HR 92

t=0.00 Chased the dragon with 3 mg. This SWIM's first time with this method of use, he executes poorly, and loses most of the smoke. 10 minutes later, still at Shulgin +/-.

t+0:21 HR 104. Okay, Shulgin +. But it's quite subltle. Incidentally, SWIM's pupils are still about 3 mm. Not dilated. However, SWIM's pupils never seem to dilate for anything. This may be related to SWIM's age.

t+0:32 Another 3 mg smoked. SWIM's dragon chasing skills improve.

t+1:01 HR 144. Shulgin +++. Intensely pleasurable state, but different from other euphorias I have experienced. Mental clarity, at least subjectively. Light sweat. Dry throat. Mild tremor. Everything is more interesting. Video? Yep. Porn? Yep.

t+2:02 HR 108. Off peak. Redosing 4 mg, smoked.

t+2:35 HR 124. Mild anxiety. Light sweat. This drug is good, scary good. Smoking is a completely different experience than taking sublingually. SWIM senses high abuse and addiction potential.

t+4:03 HR 104. Off peak, but still feeling okay. Mild headache. Strong tendency to tooth grinding. I feel mentally clear, but doesn't trust judgment. Mild anxiety comes and goes, but overall, calm and peaceful. Very mild tremor. Beginning to worry about crash. I plan to smoke one more dose and call it a night.

[Note: although I didn't write it down at the time, he was feeling somewhat anxious and dysphoric, and thought he could push his way through these feelings by smoking more drug. He was wrong.]

t+5:27 HR 132. Final 3 mg smoked. Quit before finishing, because of some dysphoria. A little lightheadedness, feelings of depersonalization. Light sweat. Some anxiety. Palpitations/hyperdynamic feeling of heart. Concern SWIM may have overdosed.

t+5:32 HR 136, pulse strong and regular. Lightheaded, hyperventilating a little and anxious. Oddly, I have run heart rates higher than this with mephedrone, and felt better. Pulse seems strong. Dry mouth.

t+5:36 HR 124. Still very anxious, dysphoric, 'feelings of impending doom'. Hyperdynamic heart. SWIM's main concern at this point is not dying, but dying and being discovered to have died of a stupid recreational drug OD. Of course, this makes no sense, I will be dead, and unable to care about what others think. A rational person would care more about the possibility of death itself. I think his cognition and judgment aren't sound.

[Many repetitive expressions of anxiety deleted.]

t+5:52 HR 112, finally beginning to decrease. But sensation of hyperdynamic heart continues, as does anxiety and lightheadedness. However, SWIM notices that his dysphoria is actually beginning to be little bit euphoric. That's... odd. He'd still rather feel better, but he's not entirely unhappy.

t+5:58 HR 104. However, dysphoric feelings still present. Anxiety improved. I would like to do this drug again. At a more reasonable dose, of course. Is that crazy? Possibly. I will reevaluate this idea when sober again. Crashes often result in the reevaluation of such ideas when high. SWIM suspects the crash will be pretty bad. SWIM winces.

t+6:02 SWIM incidentally notes that his usual tinnitus is reduced to almost nothing.

t+6:18 Oddly, once again I have the feeling of being dysphoric and euphoric at the same time. As though he's unhappy with the experience, yet oddly unworried and content with his unhappiness. Almost Buddhist. I think MDPV is really ersatz Buddhism, though.

t+6:28 HR 104. Okay, I have moved back into the zone of comfortable intoxication. Interestingly, doing something else besides obsessively checking his heart rate every two minutes helped a lot. That's true of a lot of emotional upset, isn't it? Just ignoring your unhappiness or anxiety, and doing something else that you enjoy, makes you feel better all by itself. Positive emotions build on themselves. And negative emotions do the same. Christ, SWIM sounds like his mom.

t+6:56 HR 92. I feel pretty much back to mildly euphoric and happy. However, I am beginning to feel the urge to redose. Uh-oh. SWIM can ignore this urge because euphoria still continues. But when the euphoria ebbs, watch out.

t+7:17 Mental clarity no longer present. Mentally fuzzy feeling of crash coming on. SWIM recognizes this from his oral dosing experiment. Feeling cold, and more tremulous, also signs of pleasurable drug effects ending.\

t+9:17 Restless, mild nausea, mild headache. Watched two hours of anime videos.

t+10:56 As MDPV makes everything more interesting, during the MDPV crash, everything becomes dull and uninteresting. About this time SWIM realized he no longer had any urge to redose. At some point, the moreishness goes away.

t+14:20 HR 72. Hungry, ate. No longer cold or tremulous. Crash symptoms improving.

t+16:04 Feeling pretty much back to normal. For all SWIM's whining about the anticipated crash, the crash wasn't that bad. Better, in fact, than his crashes off mephedrone and methylone. It was even milder than SWIM's crash off sublingual MDPV, possibly because the total dose was lower. And now, to bed.

t+23:08 Awake again. Slept very well, which is a big plus. CNS stimulants commonly cause restless sleep in SWIM, even 12 hours after the last dose. No obvious after-effects at this time. Experience concludes.

Despite the hour or so of anxiety, dysphoria, and feelin' like he was fixin' to die, I found this an overall very positive experience. He smoked MDPV six more times over the next two weeks. His typical experience went like this:

t=0:00 -- t+8:00 25-35 mg MDPV smoked in increments. I am euphoric and pleased.
t+8:00 -- t+12:00 Crash begins 30-60 minutes after last use, with sensations of cold, increased tremor, and mild depression. Mental fuzziness. Crash lasts 3-5 hours.
t+12:00 -- t+18:00 Crash ends. This is very obvious, with onset of optimistic feelings, disappearance of cold sensations, lessening of tremor, decrease in heart rate, improvement of mental fuzziness, and hunger. At this point I feel energetic, and can clean the house, exercise, or otherwise be active. At t+18 hours or so he can go to bed and sleep soundly, waking refreshed and in his normal mental state (or so it feels).

Thoughts about MDPV:

1. I like this drug. He has been exploring pschoactive chemicals over the past three years, and MDPV has the best combination of pleasant effects combined with mild side-effects he's found so far. I have given it up for now, but expects he'll use again in the future, in perhaps 3-6 months.

2. Smoking is an utterly different experience than sublinqual use. It's a different drug. Smoking also, unexpectedly, produced a shorter, milder crash than sublingual use. If one is using this drug seeking euphoria, smoking is the only way to go. (I will not use it IV, he considers the dangers too great.)

3. I found that the line between maximal euphoria and anxiety/dysphoria was paper-thin. It takes experience to stay on the right side of that line. SWIM ended up smoking 3 mg at a time, over 10 minutes, then repeating in about 20-30 minutes. He pauses for a couple of minutes after each two inhalations, to make sure the drug has achieved its effect, before using more.

4. SWIM's final smoking technique was to put the drug in a stainless steel teaspoon, heat it over an alcohol lamp, and inhale through the usual foil tube. However -- he notices that eventually the white powder will collapse into a tiny amber puddle. If he tries to smoke that puddle, he gets increased anxiety and tachycardia out of proportion with any euphoria. He doesn't know whether that is because the puddle is concentrated MDPV, or unknown pharmacologically active pyrolysis products.

5. Others on DF have said that MDPV does not produce euphoria. SWIM disagrees with this. MDPV's euphoria is not the highly physical, stoned, pierced-by-the-silver-spear-of-St.-Teresa's-angel euphoria that I got with mephedrone, but it is unmistakably euphoria. It is more of a clear-headed feeling of well-being, and confidence that everything is going to be all right. Everything becomes better. Everything becomes more interesting.

6. I found mild aphrodisiacal properties, at the very high end of his dosing range. Both erection and orgasm were difficult, but possible.

7. Although the drug continued to be fun, I found that over his six days of use (these were intermittent, broken up by multi-day stretches of his usual salaried occupation), both the euphoric effects and the crash effects tended to become milder. By the end of the last day, he found himself in an odd state of being distinctly 'high', without being either euphoric or dysphoric. Deciding he might be developing a tolerance to the drug, and that maybe his neurotransmitters were depleted as much as he wanted them to be, he flushed his last bit of MDPV, and resolved not to use again for a while.

8. One especially bothersome side-effect: MDPV had a bad effect on SWIM's typing, reducing his touch-typing rate to about a third what it normally is. He initially chalked this up to tremor, which is common with stimulants of all kinds. However, on the morning before his last MDPV experience, when he did not feel that he was drug-intoxicated, I was distressed to find that his typing speed was still awful. He could not master the rapid rhythm of touch-typing. It seemed to be due to a curious inability to initiate movement: a finger would pause before hitting a key until SWIM consciously forced it to strike the key.

Now, difficulty initiating movement is one of the cardinal signs of Parkinson's disease. (Remember the very old man on Benny Hill, how it took him a long time to start walking?) I didn't have any of the other signs of Parkinsonism, and had no gait problems, no fine motor problems (handwriting was normal), but still, this was a very disturbin' development, and one of the things that caused SWIM to quit the drug for now. Thankfully, the symptom went away in the next 24 hours, and SWIM's typing has been back to normal since. SWIM still thinks it was some sort of dopamine-depletion phenomenon. He plans to preload and afterload with L-tyrosine, 5-HTP, and B-6 when he uses MDPV again.

9. The crash after each day's use was remarkably mild. However, note that SWIM never used MDPV for more than two days in a row, and never used around the clock.

10. For the three days after SWIM's last use he slept more than usual, up to 9 or 10 hours (he usually sleeps 7). He was able to stay awake normally a work and seemed to be in a normal cognitive state, but whenever work slowed down, he found his eyes closing. He also ate more than usual. However, he was not physically fatigued, and did his usual 30 minutes of vigorous aerobic exercise a day. His mood was optimistic, not depressed.

11. SWIM once tried to make MDPV freebase/crack on the cheap: he combined MDPV and an equal amount of baking soda in a spoon, with a couple of ml of water, boiled off the water, and smoked it. It didn't seem to him much different than the vendor-supplied salt, although the smoke may have been a little milder. He may try this again in a bit more controlled way.

12. One more annoying side-effect: I had adry cough, like bronchitis, for several days after his last use.

13. Unlike with mephedrone, and to a lesser degree methylone, I did not feel cold while using MDPV. In fact, he was more comfortable in less clothing at the same house temperature. MDPV does not seem to have any peripheral vasoconstrictive effect.

14. No entactogenic properties noted. No visual effects. No feelings of insight. This drug is fun, but it's dumb fun. No paranoia, but again, I did not use for days without stopping and did not go sleepless.

15. More than once SWIM noticed the very odd feeling of simultaneous euphoria and dysphoria. He doesn't know how else to describe this, and hasn't experienced it with any other substance.

 

MDPV - Very subtle, but very impressive.

SWIM decided to order himself some Methylone & MDPV - had too much Mephedrone over the last few months and wants to try something else, see what else is out there.

So, MDPV - Lot of research on it first, very mixed reports, but the general consensus is that it is not recreational or social. So began last night, 10mg dosage, insuffulated. No obvious effects, rush or high (I didn't expect any of these anyway) within the first half an hour. After about an hour SWIM began noticing it - I felt quite focused when working, a strong urge to get stuck right into the task at hand. That wrapped it up for my night though, the feeling seemed most noticeable 1-2 hours in, and died down entirely after 4 hours - setting himself up for bed. No urge to redose.

Today, SWIM woke up - no hangover/comedown agony as seemed to be reported a lot - so SWIM decided to give it a go (it was friday after all) for work - as he has been suffering with a severe lack of motivation and wasting day after day. Same dosage as the prior night at about 9am, 1 redose at about 1pm, same dosage again. I have not had as productive a day at work in quite a long time - he felt very compelled to work, he has little to do at work right now so ended up trying quite hard to find *something* productive to do - and did! All in all a good day :thumbsup:

I have read about it being addictive, moreish, suffering the following day, etc. Has anyone else suffered with this, or do others feel it is more like the experience I have had? I am really impressed, subtle effects - nothing strongly "in your face" about it. No plans to make usage frequent as I would hate to see a tolerance develop for something like this - he has a near total caffeine tolerance already. I was on Ritalin at about 9yo for a few months, and judging from memory - he would say MDPV is almost a "Grown-up Ritalin". Anyone agree/disagree with this?

Suggestions for further use, dosage, warnings, etc are welcomed too.

 

Re: MDPV - Very subtle, but very impressive.

This drug has, indeed, been compared to methylphenidate/Ritalin. It is said to have come out of the same research program that created methylphenidate, but was passed over for marketing in favor of its prettier sister. Embittered, MDPV now runs the back streets and dirty alleys of the city of Pharmacologie, and trades kisses for money with lowlifes like You and SWIM.

The horrendous crashes that have been reported with this drug seem to occur after epic multi-day rolls without sleep. My rhinograde has written up an experience report, q.v. The rhinograde was impressed that even with moderate recreational use, the crash/comedown was quite mild and tolerable. (The big caveat here, of course, is that some users aren't able to keep their recreational use moderate. Those users will get hurt.)

As far as using the drug as a productivity aid, check out the multiple reports from konshuss in this thread. On 29/9/2008 konshuss was quite enthusiastic about small doses for this purpose. konshuss posted a couple more positive posts. But by 6/12/2008, konshuss found SWIkonshuss to be getting into a bad place over MDPV:

konshuss's I said he was giving up MDPV and going back to espresso.

So, take care. MDPV may not need to be as dangerous as it's commonly believed to be, but I believe it is a lot more dangerous than it seems to be, the first few times it is experienced.

Tangent: konshuss's repeated posts to DF, detailing SWIkonshuss's experience with a drug over the course of months, are extremely helpful in understanding how the drug interacts with an individual's life and personality. DF needs more of this kind of reporting.

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

I've posted previously about a SWIM's MDPV experiences. Last night my rhinograde had very, very bad experience.

He had been smoking MDPV salt off foil. He had smoked a total of about 13 mg in four hours (not a lot by his standards) when he began to feel just awful, with increasing anxiety and lightheadedness. BP 167/98 HR 106, regular. High numbers, but not bad for a CNS stimulant, and not harmful for short periods of time. No chest pain, no shortness of breath. So why did the rhinograde feel so awful?

He had to lie down he was feeling so lightheaded. He kept his fingers on his pulse. Even lying down, he felt he was about to pass out. He was falling a great distance. Darkness surrounded him. He realized he was dying. Terror overwhelmed him. His pulse seemed to slow down. Then he felt his pulse go away.

He had died. He had gone into a lethal heart arrhythmia. You cannot imagine the terror.

"What's wrong?" I asked.

The rhinograde started to cough repeatedly, in an agitated manner. He refused to speak, but I believe he was doing what is called 'cough CPR'. It is (barely) possible to maintain blood flow by coughing vigorously and compressing the heart and great vessels, even if your heart has stopped. I decided to call 911 for him. The rhinograde was rushing around the room, putting away all his drug stuff before the medics arrived. In retrospect, it was comical. Sorry, but you cannot run around the house while doing cough CPR on yourself while in ventricular fibrillation. Nope, not going to happen. Whatever had happened to the rhinograde, he hadn't actually gone into cardiac arrest. But he hadn't figured that out yet.

The ambulance from the animal hospital arrived. A wildebeest and penguin hopped out, connected the terrified rhinograde up to a monitor and took an EKG. Blood pressure and heart rate: still mildly elevated. EKG: sinus tachycardia. Dead normal, except for highish heart rate. No heart attack, no arrhythmia, no nuffin. Transport to the Hospital for Sick Animals commenced.

In the ER, labs and x-rays were done by a team of leopards and lemurs. Everything came back normal. Over the course of three hours the rhinograde gradually began to feel better. Stupid, but better. Depression, guilt, hopelessness, fuzzy thinking... wait a minute, that's just the usual CNS stimulant comedown. He was discharged to home, a sadder but wiser animal.

What happened? Panic? Duh. But maybe something else?

The rhinograde has had a lot of anxiety with MDPV before, but this was orders of magnitude worse, worse than anything he has had before in his life, or could imagine having. I have previously written up a panic attack he had with a minor OD on JWH-018. The rhinograde shakes his head and tells me this was about a thousand times worse. It felt like the Angel of Death dragging him down into the ground.

The rhinograde may have had some sort of poorly-perfusing arrhythmia, paroxysmal supraventricular tachycardia, paroxysmal atrial fibrillation, or even non-sustained ventricular tachycardia. Any of these may be triggered by sympathetic overload, which increases the electrical irritability of the heart. Although all of these are unhealthy, but are not automatically lethal, and all may revert to a normal heart rhythm spontaneously, after seconds, minutes or hours.

Arguing against this thesis, though, are these facts 1) his vital signs just before the episode were not that bad. He has had far worse numbers before, with MDPV and other drugs, and nothing like this happened; 2) he had no chest pain and no shortness of breath; 3) his monitor strip and 12-lead electrocardiogram showed no trace of arrhythmia. Generally if the myocardium is irritable, there will be at least a few premature atrial or ventricular contractions as evidence.

Ultimately, it's not clear what happened to him. Whatever it was, he doesn't want it to ever, ever, EVER happen again.

He actually had a similar episode with mephedrone months ago. Sudden lightheadedness, sweating, inability find pulse. "Ah," he thought, "I've died. Better go lie down." Seemed to make sense at the time. See, this was at the height of the mephedrone euphoric rush. The rhinograde lay down, thought about dying, which he concluded happily was a reasonable option. As time passed he felt better. Later, he dismissed this episode as a panic attack, but now, he's not so sure. He could have had a self-limited arrhythmia, but the mephedrone euphoria allowed him to endure it. MDPV anxiety made whatever happened to him the other night ten times worse.

Thoughts about this episode:

1. The rhinograde has flushed his MDPV. Whatever happened to him, anything that lands you in the ER is a huge flashing warning sign saying 'WRONG WAY'. The rhinograde enjoys MDPV, but he is unable to dose it safely. In the future he will approach other CNS stimulants with increased care.

2. I've noticed that the rhinograde has the most problems with MDPV 30 minutes to an hour after a dose. The event described above happened about 30 minutes after his last dose. I suspect that MDPV metabolites cause more sympathetic effects than the drug itself. Thus, the euphoria is immediate, but the sympathetic side-effects are delayed. If the user doses again because he's feeling worse (and the euphoria has worn off) he is likely to get himself into trouble. That's what the rhinograde was doing, and it did not work out well for him. In addition, the compulsive nature of a drug that is a dopamine re-uptake inhibitor tends to cause compulsive re-dosing.

3. The rhinograde is in his late 50s. Although he has no known heart disease (or any other medical problems), the sad fact is that even healthy older hearts are not as good as younger healthy hearts. I haven't noted many reports of heart issues in other MDPV users, but most users are decades younger. The rhinograde, after a misspent youth, has lived a fairly clean life for the last three decades. Researching chemicals again is for him a sort of 'middle-age crazy', like buying the red sports car on your 40th birthday. If not now, he thinks, when? Better in his 50s than in his 70s. But it may already be too late for him. The moment may have passed. In any event, if he wishes to live into those 70s, he must exercise more caution.

I pat him on the head. Poor rhinograde. Can't even sin successfully.

4. A minor point: the rhinograde drinks coffee, three cups daily. He has cut down on coffee during some prior CNS stimulant research, because of a suspicion that it raised his heartrate. Unusual for him, he had two cups the night of the event described above. Caffeine, and other phosphodiesterase inhibitors such as theophylline, are known pro-arrhythmics, and can trigger supraventricular tachyarrhythmias in susceptible individuals. Could the coffee have had something to do with it?

5. I mentioned in a previous report that a SWIM of mine got disturbing, Parkinson-like symptoms after a couple of days of MDPV use. My rhinograde has been using 500 mg to 1 g of L-tyrosine as pre-load and post-load with his MDPV use. (It works: the Parkinson-like symptoms never develop, and tremor is much reduced.) But could this precursor to the catecholamines have increased his peripheral catecholamine stores and predisposed to a hyperadrenergic state and consequent arrhythmia?

6. Pilots used to say that any landing you walk away from is a good one. The rhinograde never landed this hard before, but he's still walking. For that he's glad in the moment, and that's enough for now. :vibes:

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

Good decision to flush it. Do you want to end up as a sorry, wasted piece of human flesh which others pity? And ironically, whose internal feelings of compassion are so shriveled that you cannot care for others in their time of need? That's MDPV.

People continually remark on how strange this drug feels, and how they feel compelled to keep using it even though they're not really enjoying it. That's the subjective feeling, but looked at objectively it is simply people destroying themselves with a drug. Don't go near MDPV. It's never done any good for anybody. This chemical has changed SWIM's view of certain kinds of drugs. MDPV = drug from hell.

BTW, in case anyone is wondering, I am not addicted to it, but he used it enough in the past to draw this conclusion. And honestly there's no chance whatsoever that he'll use it again. This drug is too horrible to contemplate using it again. Shame on whoever's selling this shit.

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

After recently getting hold of .5g of mdpv swim done some research on dosage & was guided by those on this thread, after repeated oral administration around the values given, up to what swim beleives to be 100mg i.e. 0.1g had very little effect so I am now wondering if his idea of a mg being one thousandth of a gram is wrong??? If so I think that an error of this magnitude is both irrisponsible & potentialy dangerous.

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

A milligram is 1/1000 gram by definition. Period.

100 mg is very large dose of MDPV, which would put most users into a highly unpleasant twitchy anxiety state for a day or longer, with rapid heart rate and high blood pressure, and perhaps even precipitate transient psychosis.

How is You measuring the drug?

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

Hello snouter fancier thanks for your answer but I am here after taking 0.15gm i.e 150mg oraly over the last few hours & not feeling any of the effects that were discribed, I'm baffled??? Your comments please

Sparkle added 156 Minutes and 30 Seconds later...

Your comments please

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

Most people find 10-15 mg a decent dose so it seems that a dose of 150mgs is heavily cut. Otherwise, You has a very high tolerance.

I don't find MDPV recreational but uses it as an energy shot in the 10 mg range. It is highly habit forming as swim found himself justifying dosing "just one more hit" to be productive and staying up all night. He's had his moments where he was tempted to flush the rest his MDPV. Its mild nature is what made this chemical the most habit forming chemical I has used.

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

Sparkle, I'm glad to reply, but if I don't get back to you quickly, bear in mind that I might be out of the house doing something like, you know, working at my salaried occupation.

I'm glad You is doing okay. If You is taking the drug by mouth, it may be less potent than if insufflated or smoked. Likewise, if You has a prior stimulant habit, You may tolerate higher doses better. Or it could be that as timothy suggested the batch You received isn't full strength. Although the drug is so cheap, for a vendor to cut it would be truly poor form. Also, as I asked before, how is You measuring the drug?

Finally, different individuals have different tolerances for any given drug. Carl Sagan reported that he smoked marijuana several times without apparent effect, and almost concluded that it was all placebo and the power of suggestion, until one day, wham! he realized he was high. A SWIM of mine from the olden days took LSD without apparent effect... until he closed his eyes. Then: OMGOMGOMGWTF!!!

Can you check you's heart rate, and if possible blood pressure? Even if 150 mg of MDPV doesn't seem to have any psychological effect, it's a powerful sympathomimetic stimulant, and I can't imagine 150 mg would leave the user without markedly elevated HR and BP. If you's vital signs are near normal, I would strongly suspect that whatever You took, it was not 150 mg of MDPV. (Before you ask: no, DF won't speculate on what it was.)

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

Carrying on with My love/hate relationship of this stuff, My realised that it's a lot better to do during the day time. My still got a nice buzz which is wearing off and My not feeling desolate like SWIM usually does when SWIM come down. I think the sun has something to do with it...for SWIM anyways

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

Hi snouter fancier thanks for your reply sorry if swim seemed impatient I am on holiday. Hence the mdpv consumption . 20+ hours since 1st dose & swim as had a couple sleep & his back to himself but mrs swim still awake & feeling the effects . Swim will update later after the effects have worn of

 

Re: MDPV Experience Report(s)

I have gotten hold of this of the internet (quelle suprise) and has a white floury substance (photos can be supplied). This would appear to be appear to be the white stuff mentioned a few pages back that is not actually MDPV. I have insufflated 3 very small lines of this over the past four hours (alas, a proper measurement is impossible) and effects are fairly minor at this stage - comparable with a few ephedrine for level of alertness, but with more teeth grinding. I feel fairly sociable and focused, but with no real euphoria. Pupils pretty normal. Lidibo, if anything, lowered. SWIM suspects he will do a few more and stop at 8ish with the intention of having a few beers to wind down.

Apologies for lack of actual hard data here as no measuring equipment available to SWIM. For the record I am a scrawny 130lbs at 5'7 - some experience with stims, speed and amphetamines here and there, a coke period a few years back and a bit of a mephedrone binge just last week.

mrstamps added 68 Minutes and 21 Seconds later...

hmm, no post editing. Will append with another post detailing My current thoughts and then speak to SWIM later in order to submit full notes.

T +5h SWIM reports beginning of comedown, energetic feeling waning and mood shifting slightly, though still fairly focused. Feeling fairly confident that substance not as strong as others have reported (due to it seemingly being different stuff or w/e) I have eyballed a more sizeable line and insufflated. T + 15 minutes and mood lifted again though not feeling hugely restless or energetic. I am thinking insufflation may not be best method of consuming due to the nature of the powder. Less floury than initially appears, but rather clumpy.