My thoughts are... injecting 2c-e is a very stupid thing to do. Apparently though, SWIM's aren't satisfied with just ingesting a strange psychedelic anymore. It seems as though all the newer my out there are determined to find the most dangerous way to take a chemical... an unresearched one at that. Simply put, just fucking eat it. Any other way is bound to catch the attention of law enforcement and get these wonderful chems taken away from the my who are responsible researchers. /end rant
Don't - parenteral administration of 2C-X compounds seems to result in unpleasant experiences (unlike some of the tryptamines). There's a report (on Erowid I think) of someone IVing 20mg of 2C-C; what is normally one of the most benign and pleasant psychedelics with oral use turned into a real trip to hell. If it does that with little ol' 2C-C, I wouldn't want to think what IV 2C-E would produce
methinks the wise ones above said it best - lay them silly thoughts to rest. to boot, the UN convention treaty has a human rights provison against the use of chemical torture, i believe.
ive done it did a very small dosage scarry as hell begged god for it to stop very visual very mental dont do it
well well your thoughts are most appreciated, though bad trips are an extremely enlightening expirience for SWIM so unfortunantely this only compells SWIM more if it is truley frightening SWIM always looking for a scarier trip (this is not sarcasm) and I dont want to inject it to get a crazy rush SWIM just likes to try everything each which way to see the difference Any more thoughts would be appreciated
You could get a really scary trip to the hospital or morgue. seriously, there are no real studies on what these substances might do. how would You even determine a safe dosage? it is users like You who end up calling attention to these drugs by making headlines when they die or get rushed to the ER. then, more people know about it and more reckless users like You result in more hospital visits and more news headlines. either respect the substance or don't use it. swim's 2 cents, at least...
SWIM ived 2C-i once and it was very visual, not too bad, but I wouldn't do it again simply because it is not a safe thing to do but it was a very small amount and pharmaceutical grade. I had tried 2C-i orally a few times at different amounts and swim's friend was curious about the effects done iv.
I was thinking about roughly 2mg for his first bit and if nothing was achieved and nothing bad happened he would steadily raise the dose according to what had happened
SWIS does not care how hard-headed You may think they are when it comes to exploring the darker corners of the mind, this is a VERY ill advised course of action and should not be undertaken. You will be playing Russian roulette with you's mental health (and quite possibly you's physical health). The response curve is extremely steep with small increments taken orally let alone by the method You proposes. A full-on desirable experience (and quite frankly a scary one for some lab rats) is available at researched and recommended levels when administered orally. DO NOT ATTEMPT.
DO NOT DO THIS. Injecting a research chemical into the bloodstream like that is just plain dumb. If too much is used there is a very probable chance of death.
no swim, no, what are you thinking 2c-e is not a a drug that should be put in a needle are injected in to any thing you should, take 12-15mgs in the kisser and be happy with the bright colors.
the onset would be somewhat faster than via oral, as would the onset of the inevitable freakout to follow. please refrain from entertaining ideas of such ilk, as regardless of the attitude you evidence, we the people care about you. and about reducing the incidence of hospitalisations the aftermath of which sheds not a good light on the still undemonised Teacher. if you want frightening i suggest a hyper-real trip such as an accellerated freefall skydive in a speedsuit, BASE jumping or a shot sojourn to the Ivory Coast. ever try full contact martial arts?
Dosage pleeze You obviously doesn't care about the risks for his own person. Please consider that it is when experiments like this go wrong, research chemicals get banned. If 2C-E would have been around for longer then I could understand people IVing it.
Swim's friend had a scale which measured small increments down to 1/10 of a milligram and dosage used was 0.5 mg. I was in a research setting and swim's friend only decided on trying iv method once oral effects from different amounts had been established during other experiments. Swim's friend's sole purpose for experimentation is research, not just doing something for the sake of doing it and being in a somewhat medical setting was reassuring should a medical situation arise. There was no "rush" effect from iving it so this substance would not be a choice for rush junkies. I do not recommend people to randomly experiment on themselves or others. Dr. Shulgin was a doctor who actually had government permission to conduct such experiments and the world could use more doctors like him. His research was even more important because he actually invented some of the substances and chemicals he experimented with. In the future, someone may invent substances which make people feel good without having all the down sides and harmful side effects, natural substances which cannot be banned simply because they make a person feel good.
I was at a party a few months back where there was some ppl trying out the "new" drug in town 2c-e. I had tried it in the past and it was not new to me but I prob knew more about the substance than anyone there, this being said a few people had asked my advice on the doseing of this new 2c-e stuff. I had advised everyone who was experienceing for their first time that, with this particular stuff it is SOOOO much better err on the side oof caution because different people react to different drugs in different ways. Of course there are those people at the party who "have done so much shit, they can handle it" I still advised these people if you have never taken the stuff b4 take it easy and was advising people not to take more than 10mg first time. Most peoplle agree with me and heeded the waring but as you kno there are always a few in every croud, one dude took 40mg (there was predosed bottles (fivers) with 20mg mixed with water) this dude saw me take 20mg at an earlier date (not that I would ever do it again but I had done it a few times and my normal dose was usually 15-25 depending on what kind of trip I was looking for) well this dude out weighed me by about 100+lbs and thought if that little dude just took one bottle I must have to take 2, needlessto say for the next day this dude couldn't even talk to people properly. Now getting back on topic this dude and his friends are all large coke heads and their perferd admin route is iv, and as smart as the fat dude was drinking to 20mg doses his friend proceeds to pull out his needle, at this point I rushed over to the guy and tried my best to talk him out of it. Unsuccessfully however I was able to talkk him way down in dose based on his drooling friend in the corner. I was pushing him to try only 1mg (since he was 100% gun ho to poke the 2c-e) he settled on 4mg needless to say now there are 2 drooling idiots in corners. I hung around for about an hour to make sure these dudes wern't dying and decided to get the fuck outta doge before something stupid happens and the cops show or some thing like that. moral of the story know your chems and don't be stupid with them!!
^LOL. some will insist, you can only lead a horse to water, you cant make it drink, as the saying goes. as someone who has seen (and granted, on a a long-ago foolish occasion has once or twice been) more than his fair share of drooling idiots in corners, i can relate. the problem, you see, comes when there are more drooling idiots than available corners. luckily, the truly idiotic ones usually soon melt right through the floor freeing up precious corner real estate for other droolers. but for god's sake man, have you considered the possibility of this all happening in a round room? ;-)
Injecting drugs is not a good idea. Toxic effects are greatly enhanched by injection and risk of OD goes way up. Chronic injection of unsterile drugs into the blood stream is very hard on the immune system.
besides isn't the body supposed to purify some of this stuff (or waht you have eaten) b4 it enters the blood stream? sounds like a bad idea in general and after witnessing it looks like a bad idea too.
